Convocati per il Sei Nazioni 2022
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Sì ma Pasquali e Nemer hanno giocato solo loro tutte le partite di Treviso, alternandosi. Devono farsi almeno un paio di settimane off
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https://www.onrugby.it/2022/01/06/minoz ... nfortunio/
Una buone notizia! Fra i rientranti è dato anche Paolo Odogwu, che sia lui uno dei sei/sette di Crowley?
Una buone notizia! Fra i rientranti è dato anche Paolo Odogwu, che sia lui uno dei sei/sette di Crowley?
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E che si fa come coi boeri, ritenta sarai più fortunato?Guido_53 ha scritto: 6 gen 2022, 15:04 https://www.onrugby.it/2022/01/06/minoz ... nfortunio/
Una buone notizia! Fra i rientranti è dato anche Paolo Odogwu, che sia lui uno dei sei/sette di Crowley?
Cioccolatini in vendita al bar, per chi non lo sapesse, con cui potevi vincerne un altro.
Andata male con Jones può vincere Crowley?
Parlare e scrivere sono due attività umane differenti
I fatti degli altri sono solo opinioni, le mie opinioni sono fatti (cit. omen nomen)
Non discutere mai con un idiota: ti trascina al suo livello e ti batte con l'esperienza (cit. Incertae sedis)
I fatti degli altri sono solo opinioni, le mie opinioni sono fatti (cit. omen nomen)
Non discutere mai con un idiota: ti trascina al suo livello e ti batte con l'esperienza (cit. Incertae sedis)
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Non parla di convocati, ma vi incollo il testo della lunga intervista di Mark Palmer a Kieran Crowley, scritta per lo speciale 6 Nazioni di Rugby World.
Kieran Crowley
The new Italy coach is under no illusions as to the challenge he faces but insists there are signs of a positive future for the Azzurri
A SIGN WENT up on the walls of the Italy changing room for the Autumn Nations Series. Create a team identity it read, reflecting the message that new coach Kieran Crowley has been keen to hammer home.
The New Zealander, who took over from Franco Smith last summer, is desperate for the Azzurri to realise who and what they are. With previous incarnations of this team, these have been straightforward questions to answer: lots of large men looking to do equally big things in the tight exchanges. A side that knew its strengths and played to them, unapologetically and consistently.
In recent years, however, that sense of certainty, that sense of self, has been largely missing. Under Smith, Italy often spoke of trying to broaden their attacking horizons and ended up increasing their margin for error. It looked unconvincing and it was wholly unsuccessful. In striving to break new ground, the team lost all semblance of direction.
A whole load of young players were blooded by the previous coach, some more on the grounds of their youth than any apparent readiness for the Test arena. Even the better ones – Paolo Garbisi, Stephen Varney, Federico Mori, Marco Zanon – did not have anything like the right structures around them to make the most of their talent.
“You should not apologise for your core strengths,” says Crowley, a passionate yet considered figure who was with Benetton for five years, delivering the parting gift of a remarkable Rainbow Cup success. “If you take a classic example from that perspective, it’s South Africa: they show that you should play to your strengths.
“Italy’s strengths in the past years was their scrum and their forwards, and they haven’t quite got that now, through the change in personnel in those positions. We have to find what we’re good at as a group, establish that in our plan and build on it. We’ve got to find out what those strengths are, because you need to be able to go back to something when the tough times come.”
Quite what that game would ideally look like was not immediately apparent from Crowley’s first couple of Tests in charge – the predictably one-sided 47-9 defeat to the All Blacks and an infinitely more grim 37-16 loss to Argentina. Italy brought more intensity and line speed to their defending, and there was both greater frequency and variety to their kicking than under Smith.
But they offered absolutely nothing in attack, with Montpellier’s Garbisi looking exactly what he is: a 21-year-old pivot learning the ropes on the job, with no comfort blanket outside him now that Carlo Canna is no longer being fielded at centre, playing behind a pack for whom set-piece dominance also remains a work in progress.
“It’s not a bleak picture,” says Crowley, the man who gave Garbisi his break at Benetton and who guided Italy to a first win in two years when they beat Uruguay in their final game of the autumn. “Everyone knows the results of the Italian national team in the last few years, but the U18s have had some very good victories and the U20s in the Six Nations have always been competitive. They’ve finished mid-table a couple of times.
“There are good young boys coming through, but we still lack the depth in some key positions. In Test-match rugby at the top level, you’ve got to have some big men up front and we probably lack a little bit in that area. So we have to be innovative sometimes in selections or the way we play it.”
Crowley has opted for a new captain, replacing hooker Luca Bigi with Michele Lamaro, a back-row he rates highly from his Benetton days. A former skipper of the national U20 team who led them to two wins over Scotland in 2018, the 23-year-old has long been marked out for a big future but has had to make up ground having missed almost 12 months after rupturing a cruciate ligament in early 2019. He made his return shortly before coronavirus shut down rugby, then the world.
“We want new leaders to emerge, new guys to step up and own it, and Michele was an obvious choice for me,” says Crowley of a man who is close friends with Scotland No 8 Matt Fagerson from the days of their age-grade encounters. “I think he would have risen to this point earlier, but he had a major injury that robbed him of so much time and last year he took a little while to find his feet again, as you do after a major injury.
“He’s got some good young guys around him; young guys who have had leadership experience on their way through. But you’ve still got to have older heads, the guys who can help them along the way. Michele will be looking to guys like Luca to help him in that area. They’re all 100% behind it because they want Italy to do well. They’re all pushing in the right direction to get results and the leadership group is starting to develop.”
There have been significant shifts in the Italian game as a whole since Marzio Innocenti, the former Azzurri captain, wrested the presidency of the national federation away from Alfredo Gavazzi in March. The deeply unlamented Gavazzi left all levels of the sport in a state of gross disrepair after a ghastly eight-year reign, which ended with him receiving just 3% of the vote at the elections where Innocenti swept to power.
One of Innocenti’s first acts was to bin Franco Ascione, the long-serving technical director, and put Smith in charge of the high-performance wing. He’s also showing much more love to the regions and clubs, all of whom were starved of resources and attention while Gavazzi was at the helm. Crowley, for his part, is adamant that there is no awkwardness in his predecessor still being on the scene in such a high-profile role.
“It’s just not an issue for me. Not at all,” says the 60-year-old. “He has his programme now and his objectives and I’m 100% behind them. We talk just about every day, so there’s no problem whatsoever. Marzio Innocenti has made a lot of changes already and he’s very much that we’ve all got to push in the same direction, whereas in the past it’s been a bit disjointed. There are going to be some massive challenges with that, because if something has been happening for years you can’t change things overnight.
“We’ve got the talent identification system there, it’s just how we transfer those players from U18s and U20s and keep getting the right support around them so they can then transition into the Italian national team and really come through.
“That’s where the break has been; it’s a fault of the system. Clubs often haven’t got the facilities that are needed, they’re semi-professional… Marzio Innocenti is certainly making a push to try to make the whole landscape better and to ensure that players get more opportunities.”
Smith’s tenure as head coach saw no break in the sequence that now sees Italy on 32 straight Six Nations defeats since a win at Murrayfield in February 2015. Crowley is under “absolutely no illusion” about the scale of the challenge that awaits in the forthcoming championship, not least because Italy have three matches away from home, but he is quite clear about what he wants to see.
“I’d like to see us make some massive improvements in some of our statistics. Last year we were the most penalised team by a long way, we gave away the most tries from a defensive point of view. I would like to see that we are very competitive in every game and that we can tough out an 80 minutes.
“And on the back of that, that we have created a style that we can play. If that pushes us to a win, that would be absolutely outstanding, but if we can come out with some real improvements in performances, particularly scores being a lot closer, that would be a success that would give us a platform leading into our summer tour, which would then help us springboard into the World Cup year. Through hard work we can get some credibility and respect with our performances. That is not necessarily a win or a loss but by the effort and performance we put out there.”
Already looming on the horizon is the 2023 World Cup, where Italy are again in a pool with New Zealand, as well as the hosts. Assuming there are no typhoons in France at that time of year, Crowley might actually get to face the team he played for at full-back in both the 1987 and 1991 global gatherings.
“It will be my sixth World Cup. I had those two as a player, then I was a (NZ) selector in 2003 when John Mitchell and Robbie Deans were the coaches. I then coached Canada in 2011 and 2015.
“Going up against New Zealand at a World Cup will be nothing new: I did it with Canada in 2011. They’re another team. I’ll be totally focused on the Italian team and what we’re trying to get out of it, our performance. There’s so much we want to do with this team, and so much we can do.”
Kieran Crowley
The new Italy coach is under no illusions as to the challenge he faces but insists there are signs of a positive future for the Azzurri
A SIGN WENT up on the walls of the Italy changing room for the Autumn Nations Series. Create a team identity it read, reflecting the message that new coach Kieran Crowley has been keen to hammer home.
The New Zealander, who took over from Franco Smith last summer, is desperate for the Azzurri to realise who and what they are. With previous incarnations of this team, these have been straightforward questions to answer: lots of large men looking to do equally big things in the tight exchanges. A side that knew its strengths and played to them, unapologetically and consistently.
In recent years, however, that sense of certainty, that sense of self, has been largely missing. Under Smith, Italy often spoke of trying to broaden their attacking horizons and ended up increasing their margin for error. It looked unconvincing and it was wholly unsuccessful. In striving to break new ground, the team lost all semblance of direction.
A whole load of young players were blooded by the previous coach, some more on the grounds of their youth than any apparent readiness for the Test arena. Even the better ones – Paolo Garbisi, Stephen Varney, Federico Mori, Marco Zanon – did not have anything like the right structures around them to make the most of their talent.
“You should not apologise for your core strengths,” says Crowley, a passionate yet considered figure who was with Benetton for five years, delivering the parting gift of a remarkable Rainbow Cup success. “If you take a classic example from that perspective, it’s South Africa: they show that you should play to your strengths.
“Italy’s strengths in the past years was their scrum and their forwards, and they haven’t quite got that now, through the change in personnel in those positions. We have to find what we’re good at as a group, establish that in our plan and build on it. We’ve got to find out what those strengths are, because you need to be able to go back to something when the tough times come.”
Quite what that game would ideally look like was not immediately apparent from Crowley’s first couple of Tests in charge – the predictably one-sided 47-9 defeat to the All Blacks and an infinitely more grim 37-16 loss to Argentina. Italy brought more intensity and line speed to their defending, and there was both greater frequency and variety to their kicking than under Smith.
But they offered absolutely nothing in attack, with Montpellier’s Garbisi looking exactly what he is: a 21-year-old pivot learning the ropes on the job, with no comfort blanket outside him now that Carlo Canna is no longer being fielded at centre, playing behind a pack for whom set-piece dominance also remains a work in progress.
“It’s not a bleak picture,” says Crowley, the man who gave Garbisi his break at Benetton and who guided Italy to a first win in two years when they beat Uruguay in their final game of the autumn. “Everyone knows the results of the Italian national team in the last few years, but the U18s have had some very good victories and the U20s in the Six Nations have always been competitive. They’ve finished mid-table a couple of times.
“There are good young boys coming through, but we still lack the depth in some key positions. In Test-match rugby at the top level, you’ve got to have some big men up front and we probably lack a little bit in that area. So we have to be innovative sometimes in selections or the way we play it.”
Crowley has opted for a new captain, replacing hooker Luca Bigi with Michele Lamaro, a back-row he rates highly from his Benetton days. A former skipper of the national U20 team who led them to two wins over Scotland in 2018, the 23-year-old has long been marked out for a big future but has had to make up ground having missed almost 12 months after rupturing a cruciate ligament in early 2019. He made his return shortly before coronavirus shut down rugby, then the world.
“We want new leaders to emerge, new guys to step up and own it, and Michele was an obvious choice for me,” says Crowley of a man who is close friends with Scotland No 8 Matt Fagerson from the days of their age-grade encounters. “I think he would have risen to this point earlier, but he had a major injury that robbed him of so much time and last year he took a little while to find his feet again, as you do after a major injury.
“He’s got some good young guys around him; young guys who have had leadership experience on their way through. But you’ve still got to have older heads, the guys who can help them along the way. Michele will be looking to guys like Luca to help him in that area. They’re all 100% behind it because they want Italy to do well. They’re all pushing in the right direction to get results and the leadership group is starting to develop.”
There have been significant shifts in the Italian game as a whole since Marzio Innocenti, the former Azzurri captain, wrested the presidency of the national federation away from Alfredo Gavazzi in March. The deeply unlamented Gavazzi left all levels of the sport in a state of gross disrepair after a ghastly eight-year reign, which ended with him receiving just 3% of the vote at the elections where Innocenti swept to power.
One of Innocenti’s first acts was to bin Franco Ascione, the long-serving technical director, and put Smith in charge of the high-performance wing. He’s also showing much more love to the regions and clubs, all of whom were starved of resources and attention while Gavazzi was at the helm. Crowley, for his part, is adamant that there is no awkwardness in his predecessor still being on the scene in such a high-profile role.
“It’s just not an issue for me. Not at all,” says the 60-year-old. “He has his programme now and his objectives and I’m 100% behind them. We talk just about every day, so there’s no problem whatsoever. Marzio Innocenti has made a lot of changes already and he’s very much that we’ve all got to push in the same direction, whereas in the past it’s been a bit disjointed. There are going to be some massive challenges with that, because if something has been happening for years you can’t change things overnight.
“We’ve got the talent identification system there, it’s just how we transfer those players from U18s and U20s and keep getting the right support around them so they can then transition into the Italian national team and really come through.
“That’s where the break has been; it’s a fault of the system. Clubs often haven’t got the facilities that are needed, they’re semi-professional… Marzio Innocenti is certainly making a push to try to make the whole landscape better and to ensure that players get more opportunities.”
Smith’s tenure as head coach saw no break in the sequence that now sees Italy on 32 straight Six Nations defeats since a win at Murrayfield in February 2015. Crowley is under “absolutely no illusion” about the scale of the challenge that awaits in the forthcoming championship, not least because Italy have three matches away from home, but he is quite clear about what he wants to see.
“I’d like to see us make some massive improvements in some of our statistics. Last year we were the most penalised team by a long way, we gave away the most tries from a defensive point of view. I would like to see that we are very competitive in every game and that we can tough out an 80 minutes.
“And on the back of that, that we have created a style that we can play. If that pushes us to a win, that would be absolutely outstanding, but if we can come out with some real improvements in performances, particularly scores being a lot closer, that would be a success that would give us a platform leading into our summer tour, which would then help us springboard into the World Cup year. Through hard work we can get some credibility and respect with our performances. That is not necessarily a win or a loss but by the effort and performance we put out there.”
Already looming on the horizon is the 2023 World Cup, where Italy are again in a pool with New Zealand, as well as the hosts. Assuming there are no typhoons in France at that time of year, Crowley might actually get to face the team he played for at full-back in both the 1987 and 1991 global gatherings.
“It will be my sixth World Cup. I had those two as a player, then I was a (NZ) selector in 2003 when John Mitchell and Robbie Deans were the coaches. I then coached Canada in 2011 and 2015.
“Going up against New Zealand at a World Cup will be nothing new: I did it with Canada in 2011. They’re another team. I’ll be totally focused on the Italian team and what we’re trying to get out of it, our performance. There’s so much we want to do with this team, and so much we can do.”
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profetacciato
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cioè quella attuale e la scorsaMan of the moment ha scritto: 6 gen 2022, 14:29 Sì ma Pasquali e Nemer hanno giocato solo loro tutte le partite di Treviso, alternandosi. Devono farsi almeno un paio di settimane off
Propongo l'introduzione dell'arbitro di mischia ordinata.
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Garry
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Questa Innocenti non gliela passa.SilverShadow ha scritto: 6 gen 2022, 16:03
“And on the back of that, that we have created a style that we can play. If that pushes us to a win, that would be absolutely outstanding, but if we can come out with some real improvements in performances, particularly scores being a lot closer, that would be a success that would give us a platform leading into our summer tour, which would then help us springboard into the World Cup year. Through hard work we can get some credibility and respect with our performances. That is not necessarily a win or a loss but by the effort and performance we put out there.”
Speriamo non sappia l'inglese.
(intendiamoci, sono perfettamente d'accordo con Crowley, ma il problema è Innocenti...)
"Come vorremmo vivere domani? No, non dite di essere scoraggiati, di non volerne più sapere. Pensate che tutto è successo perché non ne avete più voluto sapere!"
(dalla Lettera agli amici di Giacomo Ulivi)
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Rischia il licenziamento dopo la prima partita !
Rischiosa affermazione che fa di Crowley un coraggioso, se si rende conto del rischio.
Rischiosa affermazione che fa di Crowley un coraggioso, se si rende conto del rischio.
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zappatalpa
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perchè?metabolik ha scritto: 6 gen 2022, 20:26 Rischia il licenziamento dopo la prima partita !
Rischiosa affermazione che fa di Crowley un coraggioso, se si rende conto del rischio.
Ho incontrato uno come Zappatalpa stamani alle 5.00 quando entravo a lavorare e ero a far colazione in uno dei pochi bar notturni
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Mi sembra ovvio : perchè lo hanno messo al posto di Smith per non sentirlo parlare così !
In buona sostanza per un pò le perderemo tutte, ma è importante migliorare.
Esattamente quello che diceva Franco Smith.
In buona sostanza per un pò le perderemo tutte, ma è importante migliorare.
Esattamente quello che diceva Franco Smith.
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zappatalpa
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doveva dire come Brunel e Oshea? Siamo in mezzo al deserto, la carovana ha perso la piantina e non appaiono neanche più le fate morganemetabolik ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 17:37 Mi sembra ovvio : perchè lo hanno messo al posto di Smith per non sentirlo parlare così !
In buona sostanza per un pò le perderemo tutte, ma è importante migliorare.
Esattamente quello che diceva Franco Smith.
Ho incontrato uno come Zappatalpa stamani alle 5.00 quando entravo a lavorare e ero a far colazione in uno dei pochi bar notturni
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La luce in fondo al tunnel che vedeva O'Shea non era di un treno ma di un brucomela mi sazappatalpa ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 19:59 doveva dire come Brunel e Oshea? Siamo in mezzo al deserto, la carovana ha perso la piantina e non appaiono neanche più le fate morgane
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zappatalpa
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SilverShadow ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 20:11La luce in fondo al tunnel che vedeva O'Shea non era di un treno ma di un brucomela mi sazappatalpa ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 19:59 doveva dire come Brunel e Oshea? Siamo in mezzo al deserto, la carovana ha perso la piantina e non appaiono neanche più le fate morgane
io rimango dell'idea: quest'anno dev'esserci un miglioramento netto rispetto ai bagni di sangue degli ultimi due anni. di vincere non se ne parla proprio. devono vincere credibilità, anche rispetto a se stessi. per questo saluterei una convocazione di Sergio. ci giochiamo tantissimo
Ho incontrato uno come Zappatalpa stamani alle 5.00 quando entravo a lavorare e ero a far colazione in uno dei pochi bar notturni
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Ma contro chi? La Francia è ingiocabile, l'Irlanda pure, l'Inghilterra non ne parliamo, la Scozia arriva caricata a pallettoni con le franchigie che fanno faville (a proposito, oggi gran partita e PoM a Sione Tuipulotu, che era eleggibile anche per l'Italia...). Le uniche squadra che stanno andando "male" sono le gallesi, ma si sa che danno il massimo quando sono in Nazionale.zappatalpa ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 20:17 io rimango dell'idea: quest'anno dev'esserci un miglioramento netto rispetto ai bagni di sangue degli ultimi due anni. di vincere non se ne parla proprio. devono vincere credibilità, anche rispetto a se stessi. per questo saluterei una convocazione di Sergio. ci giochiamo tantissimo
L'unica è sperare che Faiva e Halafihi mettano qualche granello di sabbia nei breakdown altrui.
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Ma ci hai visti a novembre? Siamo bruttini eh.zappatalpa ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 20:17SilverShadow ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 20:11La luce in fondo al tunnel che vedeva O'Shea non era di un treno ma di un brucomela mi sazappatalpa ha scritto: 8 gen 2022, 19:59 doveva dire come Brunel e Oshea? Siamo in mezzo al deserto, la carovana ha perso la piantina e non appaiono neanche più le fate morgane
io rimango dell'idea: quest'anno dev'esserci un miglioramento netto rispetto ai bagni di sangue degli ultimi due anni. di vincere non se ne parla proprio. devono vincere credibilità, anche rispetto a se stessi. per questo saluterei una convocazione di Sergio. ci giochiamo tantissimo
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una giornata storta è possibile, in cinque partite. dovremmo essere pronti a coglierla e provare a tirare giù uno scalpo. sappiamo benissimo che nella realtà ci saranno quindici uomini con un buco sulla testa, sulla cassa del morto, e il tutto sarà colorato di azzurro. eppure l'Argentina ha battuto gli All Blacks in giornata storta, mica in semifinale al mondiale.
per il momento giornata storta più duecento per cento azzurro, la base non c'è ancora, per sperare in altro. la questione potrebbe essere: sono in grado di andare oltre il limite nella giornata storta altrui? per il momento non c'è nessuna prova dell'esistenza di questa possibilità. manca la solidità del gruppo, oltre che i piccoli giganti a fare da traino. perchè ci vogliono le eccellenze individuali, altrimenti casse da morto, in ogni caso.
per il momento giornata storta più duecento per cento azzurro, la base non c'è ancora, per sperare in altro. la questione potrebbe essere: sono in grado di andare oltre il limite nella giornata storta altrui? per il momento non c'è nessuna prova dell'esistenza di questa possibilità. manca la solidità del gruppo, oltre che i piccoli giganti a fare da traino. perchè ci vogliono le eccellenze individuali, altrimenti casse da morto, in ogni caso.