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I criteri per formare le pool durante il prossimo mondiale in NZL verranno cambiati.
World Cup seedings will reflect better positions
5:00AM Tuesday February 19, 2008
By Wynne Gray
The All Blacks are likely to be spared some 2011 World Cup embarrassment with a change to the seeding system for the tournament.
Under the present format, the All Blacks would be drawn below the top layer of South Africa, England, Argentina and France after they lost their quarter-final against France in Cardiff.
World Cup seedings have been based on results at previous events, a flawed scheme which had England as top seed for last year's event although they were well down the global rankings by the start of the tournament.
It seems the International Rugby Board will adapt their ranking charts to better reflect World Cup seedings, with some announcement expected this week while a group of their officials are in New Zealand looking at preparations for the next tournament.
The Springbok world champions are rated the best side in the world followed by the All Blacks.
Meanwhile, IRB chief executive Mike Miller claimed there were no concerns about progress, plans or details for the 2011 World Cup. He expected the tournament would produce a similar profit to the last and that major matches would be televised free-to-air. There were also strong reasons to continue with a 20-team tournament while the debate about the laws - persisting with some or any of the ELVs - would occur at the November meeting of the IRB.
Chairman Bernard Lapasset said planning for 2011 had made considerable progress in the two and a half years since New Zealand was awarded hosting rights.
NZ campaign boss Martin Snedden said: "This is a critical time in New Zealand's planning to host Rugby World Cup 2011 so any insight we can gain that will help avoid pitfalls or enhance the presentation of the tournament will be an asset."
World Cup seedings will reflect better positions
5:00AM Tuesday February 19, 2008
By Wynne Gray
The All Blacks are likely to be spared some 2011 World Cup embarrassment with a change to the seeding system for the tournament.
Under the present format, the All Blacks would be drawn below the top layer of South Africa, England, Argentina and France after they lost their quarter-final against France in Cardiff.
World Cup seedings have been based on results at previous events, a flawed scheme which had England as top seed for last year's event although they were well down the global rankings by the start of the tournament.
It seems the International Rugby Board will adapt their ranking charts to better reflect World Cup seedings, with some announcement expected this week while a group of their officials are in New Zealand looking at preparations for the next tournament.
The Springbok world champions are rated the best side in the world followed by the All Blacks.
Meanwhile, IRB chief executive Mike Miller claimed there were no concerns about progress, plans or details for the 2011 World Cup. He expected the tournament would produce a similar profit to the last and that major matches would be televised free-to-air. There were also strong reasons to continue with a 20-team tournament while the debate about the laws - persisting with some or any of the ELVs - would occur at the November meeting of the IRB.
Chairman Bernard Lapasset said planning for 2011 had made considerable progress in the two and a half years since New Zealand was awarded hosting rights.
NZ campaign boss Martin Snedden said: "This is a critical time in New Zealand's planning to host Rugby World Cup 2011 so any insight we can gain that will help avoid pitfalls or enhance the presentation of the tournament will be an asset."
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scusa non ero più entrato in questa sezione, con la retrocessione in C a fine stagione l'anno scorso ha lasciato adesso si trova a Napoli, fà piacere che anche ad Auckland sanno "cosè" Sondrio XDPukana ha scritto:sondriorugby ci saranno piu' di 500 lavori come volontari in tutta la nuova zelanda per portare a termine la WRC 2011. se interessa a qualcuno faro' attenzione e poi publichero' info su forum.
PS= ma guy pardies e' ancora allenatore del sondrio?
Se riesci a farci sapere qualchecosa molto volentieri
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magodelsurf ha scritto:E poi perche noi siamo tutti ad Auckland!!!!
Niente di personale, ma mi viene proprio dal cuore: vai a cagare!!!!!!!!!
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Cara Emy77 guarda che mago ha ragione. Peccato che ora neanche lui e' in AKL........Emy77 ha scritto:magodelsurf ha scritto:E poi perche noi siamo tutti ad Auckland!!!!
Niente di personale, ma mi viene proprio dal cuore: vai a cagare!!!!!!!!!
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Pukana ha scritto:Cara Emy77 guarda che mago ha ragione. Peccato che ora neanche lui e' in AKL........Emy77 ha scritto:magodelsurf ha scritto:E poi perche noi siamo tutti ad Auckland!!!!
Niente di personale, ma mi viene proprio dal cuore: vai a cagare!!!!!!!!!
La mia era tutta invidia ovviamente!
Però se ora lui non è lì allora lo invidio un po' meno!
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come non dargli ragione? Almeno una semifinale potevano portarla nel isola sud! 3 e 4 posto dove?Pukana ha scritto:Questa settimana l'Esecutivo della RWC 2011 Ltd ha annunciato che entrambi le semifinali e la finale verranno giocate ad Eden Park in Auckland.
La notizia e' stata presa malamente dalla Wellington Rugby Union, ma soprattutto feroci critiche sono arrivate dalla Canterbury Rugby Union che sperava di portare almeno una delle due semifinali al Jade Stadium.
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Per chi ancora avesse dei dubbi.....
Auckland confirmed host Rugby World Cup semis
9:10AM Friday February 22, 2008
Auckland's Eden Park will host both semifinals and the final of the 2011 Rugby World Cup, it was confirmed today.
Rugby New Zealand 2011 Ltd chief executive Martin Snedden said logistical and financial considerations meant it was just not feasible for semifinal matches to be played in Christchurch or Wellington.
With organisers expecting a loss of at least $30 million for staging the tournament - and with ticket sales the only source of revenue to offset anticipated running costs of $310 million - Eden Park's superior capacity clearly outweighs the claims of Wellington and Christchurch, a fact both cities appear to have acknowledged.
Once Eden Park's $190 million refurbishment is complete, the stadium will seat 62,000 spectators, about 20,000 more than Westpac Stadium in Wellington while Christchurch's AMI Stadium may squeeze in 45,000 after its redevelopment.
Snedden today said the additional revenue from those extra seats, coupled with the logistical challenges of moving 30,000 people around the country in the space of a day, made Eden Park the "obvious venue".
"Once you get further into project and you realise some of the logistical and financial challenges, it becomes pretty clear that as long as the redevelopment of Eden Park goes ahead on time, it's the obvious venue to host both the final and the semifinals," Snedden told Radio New Zealand today.
He said the semifinals would be played on consecutive days, with approximately 35,000 overseas fans holding tickets to both matches.
"We've been through the logistical exercise - you just can't possibly shift that number of people around and be sure they'd make it.
"The risk is too high and you just can't take risks in this type of project," Snedden said.
He said more tickets would be available for New Zealanders if the semifinals and final were held at Eden Park.
"The bigger the stadium you play in, the more tickets there are available to New Zealanders, so that's a pretty compelling reason as well."
However, Snedden acknowledged that ticket prices at the business end of the tournament would be pricey.
"We're probably a year away from setting prices, but if you look at France as a guide, tickets there started at 100 euros ($200) and went up as high as maybe 800 euros.
"I don't know if we'll end up that high, but I do know they're going to be far more expensive than what we've seen previously."
Bryan Pearson, chief executive of AMI Stadium administrator Vbase, said they had now set their sights on landing two quarterfinals and a pool match for AMI Stadium, which is undergoing a $60 million revamp.
- NZPA
Auckland confirmed host Rugby World Cup semis
9:10AM Friday February 22, 2008
Auckland's Eden Park will host both semifinals and the final of the 2011 Rugby World Cup, it was confirmed today.
Rugby New Zealand 2011 Ltd chief executive Martin Snedden said logistical and financial considerations meant it was just not feasible for semifinal matches to be played in Christchurch or Wellington.
With organisers expecting a loss of at least $30 million for staging the tournament - and with ticket sales the only source of revenue to offset anticipated running costs of $310 million - Eden Park's superior capacity clearly outweighs the claims of Wellington and Christchurch, a fact both cities appear to have acknowledged.
Once Eden Park's $190 million refurbishment is complete, the stadium will seat 62,000 spectators, about 20,000 more than Westpac Stadium in Wellington while Christchurch's AMI Stadium may squeeze in 45,000 after its redevelopment.
Snedden today said the additional revenue from those extra seats, coupled with the logistical challenges of moving 30,000 people around the country in the space of a day, made Eden Park the "obvious venue".
"Once you get further into project and you realise some of the logistical and financial challenges, it becomes pretty clear that as long as the redevelopment of Eden Park goes ahead on time, it's the obvious venue to host both the final and the semifinals," Snedden told Radio New Zealand today.
He said the semifinals would be played on consecutive days, with approximately 35,000 overseas fans holding tickets to both matches.
"We've been through the logistical exercise - you just can't possibly shift that number of people around and be sure they'd make it.
"The risk is too high and you just can't take risks in this type of project," Snedden said.
He said more tickets would be available for New Zealanders if the semifinals and final were held at Eden Park.
"The bigger the stadium you play in, the more tickets there are available to New Zealanders, so that's a pretty compelling reason as well."
However, Snedden acknowledged that ticket prices at the business end of the tournament would be pricey.
"We're probably a year away from setting prices, but if you look at France as a guide, tickets there started at 100 euros ($200) and went up as high as maybe 800 euros.
"I don't know if we'll end up that high, but I do know they're going to be far more expensive than what we've seen previously."
Bryan Pearson, chief executive of AMI Stadium administrator Vbase, said they had now set their sights on landing two quarterfinals and a pool match for AMI Stadium, which is undergoing a $60 million revamp.
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Rankings to be used for 2011 World Cup seedings
2:42PM Friday February 22, 2008
World rankings will be used to seed teams for the 2011 Rugby World Cup it was announced today.
The International Rugby Board said the pool allocation draw will take place in December and that rankings will dictate the tournament seeds for the first time. The cut-off date for the rankings will be December 1.
World Cup seedings have previously been determined by the results of the preceding tournament.
The 12 automatic qualifiers from last year's World Cup in France will be spread through the four 2011 pools based on their rankings. Twenty teams will contest the tournament, with the other eight determined by a series of worldwide qualifying matches.
Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) chairman Syd Millar described the change as "innovative".
"The Rankings are now very well established and provide us with a credible and succinct way of seeding teams for the Rugby World Cup pool draw," Millar said in a statement.
" The RWCL Board felt that the rankings are a more accurate record of a team's position at any given time and will provide the best possible chance of evenly matched pools emerging from the draw."
The 12 automatic qualifiers are champions South Africa, runners-up England, losing semifinalists France and Argentina, losing quarterfinalists Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and Scotland, and Italy, Tonga, Wales and Ireland who finished in third place in their respective pools.
The top-four ranked qualified teams will go into the first band of the draw, followed by the next four in the second band and next four in the third band. The draw will be random.
The fourth band will comprise the top qualifiers from Oceania, the Americas and Europe, along with the second qualifiers from Europe.
The fifth band will comprise the top qualifiers from Africa and Asia, the second Americas qualifier and the winner of a playoff between the third qualifiers from Europe and the Americas.
Miller said ideally the draw would have taken place next year but that wouldn't have allowed enough time to negotiate and confirm venues for the 48 matches and the associated team base camps.
Rugby New Zealand 2011 Ltd chief executive Martin Snedden said his tournament organising body would have ample time to move ahead with its match and team allocation planning.
"There is strong interest from regions across New Zealand in hosting matches or teams during Rugby World Cup 2011," Snedden said.
"The confirmation of the seeding process for the 12 teams which have already qualified allows us to move ahead with the allocation process."
Snedden said the allocation of the venues for the four quarterfinal matches and the third-fourth playoff was on track to be confirmed later this year.
The allocation of the 40 pool-phase matches and team bases will be finalised in the first quarter of 2009.
"A key learning from RWC 2007 is that great care must be taken to ensure that potential host regions and venues are informed about and fully understand all of the hosting obligations and likely benefits before these match and team allocation decisions are made," Snedden said.
- NZPA
2:42PM Friday February 22, 2008
World rankings will be used to seed teams for the 2011 Rugby World Cup it was announced today.
The International Rugby Board said the pool allocation draw will take place in December and that rankings will dictate the tournament seeds for the first time. The cut-off date for the rankings will be December 1.
World Cup seedings have previously been determined by the results of the preceding tournament.
The 12 automatic qualifiers from last year's World Cup in France will be spread through the four 2011 pools based on their rankings. Twenty teams will contest the tournament, with the other eight determined by a series of worldwide qualifying matches.
Rugby World Cup Limited (RWCL) chairman Syd Millar described the change as "innovative".
"The Rankings are now very well established and provide us with a credible and succinct way of seeding teams for the Rugby World Cup pool draw," Millar said in a statement.
" The RWCL Board felt that the rankings are a more accurate record of a team's position at any given time and will provide the best possible chance of evenly matched pools emerging from the draw."
The 12 automatic qualifiers are champions South Africa, runners-up England, losing semifinalists France and Argentina, losing quarterfinalists Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and Scotland, and Italy, Tonga, Wales and Ireland who finished in third place in their respective pools.
The top-four ranked qualified teams will go into the first band of the draw, followed by the next four in the second band and next four in the third band. The draw will be random.
The fourth band will comprise the top qualifiers from Oceania, the Americas and Europe, along with the second qualifiers from Europe.
The fifth band will comprise the top qualifiers from Africa and Asia, the second Americas qualifier and the winner of a playoff between the third qualifiers from Europe and the Americas.
Miller said ideally the draw would have taken place next year but that wouldn't have allowed enough time to negotiate and confirm venues for the 48 matches and the associated team base camps.
Rugby New Zealand 2011 Ltd chief executive Martin Snedden said his tournament organising body would have ample time to move ahead with its match and team allocation planning.
"There is strong interest from regions across New Zealand in hosting matches or teams during Rugby World Cup 2011," Snedden said.
"The confirmation of the seeding process for the 12 teams which have already qualified allows us to move ahead with the allocation process."
Snedden said the allocation of the venues for the four quarterfinal matches and the third-fourth playoff was on track to be confirmed later this year.
The allocation of the 40 pool-phase matches and team bases will be finalised in the first quarter of 2009.
"A key learning from RWC 2007 is that great care must be taken to ensure that potential host regions and venues are informed about and fully understand all of the hosting obligations and likely benefits before these match and team allocation decisions are made," Snedden said.
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Report slams decision to give Rugby World Cup to NZ
11:28AM Tuesday July 29, 2008
Rugby World CupThe 2011 Rugby World Cup should not have gone to a "small country" with limited "commercial potential" and a "saturated" rugby market, says an English report on the state of the game.
Putting Rugby First was penned by two legal firms and has been sent to rugby officials around the world.
It argues that rugby is at risk due to its "narrow global footprint" and says an overhaul of the International Rugby Board is needed.
The report points to the 2011 hosting rights being awarded to New Zealand as one of the key failures of the IRB.
"How many more rugby shirts are Adidas likely to be able to sell to New Zealanders? What sort of media audiences can realistically be expected in such a small, isolated market with a challenging time zone?" Asks the report.
It goes on to say that Japan would have been a suitable host with a larger market and could have acted as a "springboard" to the rest of Asia where 60 per cent of the world's population lives.
"Diehard rugby fans around the world, i.e. in the Foundation Unions, will watch at any hour but where will the new audience come from?" The report asks.
While soccer and American football have moved into new regions with zeal - soccer's 2002 World Cup was held in Japan and South Korea, and the NFL is set to repeat last year's success in holding a regular season game in Europe - rugby's support has remained focused in its traditional homelands.
The report said that 97 per cent of the 33 million people who watched last year's World Cup final between South Africa and England came from the eight so-called foundation countries - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
"There are 115 members of the IRB," the report said, "but rugby is evidently not particularly popular in most of them."
The report makes six recommendations: an overhaul of the IRB's structure, corporate best practice applied to the body, a five-year plan for the sport's development, specific programs with firm targets in growth regions, the 2015 World Cup being staged in one of those regions, and the inclusion of rugby sevens at the 2016 Olympics.
World Cup matches have only been hosted by the eight foundation nations since its inception in 1987 and the IRB has continually failed in its attempts to get sevens - the shorter and faster version of the 15-man game - included at the Olympics.
Following the success of Twenty20 cricket, the report urged the promotion of sevens as a way of bringing the sport to new audiences.
"Rugby is a special sport, with all the ingredients to be one of the most successful in the world," the report said.
-NZHERALD STAFF, AP
11:28AM Tuesday July 29, 2008
Rugby World CupThe 2011 Rugby World Cup should not have gone to a "small country" with limited "commercial potential" and a "saturated" rugby market, says an English report on the state of the game.
Putting Rugby First was penned by two legal firms and has been sent to rugby officials around the world.
It argues that rugby is at risk due to its "narrow global footprint" and says an overhaul of the International Rugby Board is needed.
The report points to the 2011 hosting rights being awarded to New Zealand as one of the key failures of the IRB.
"How many more rugby shirts are Adidas likely to be able to sell to New Zealanders? What sort of media audiences can realistically be expected in such a small, isolated market with a challenging time zone?" Asks the report.
It goes on to say that Japan would have been a suitable host with a larger market and could have acted as a "springboard" to the rest of Asia where 60 per cent of the world's population lives.
"Diehard rugby fans around the world, i.e. in the Foundation Unions, will watch at any hour but where will the new audience come from?" The report asks.
While soccer and American football have moved into new regions with zeal - soccer's 2002 World Cup was held in Japan and South Korea, and the NFL is set to repeat last year's success in holding a regular season game in Europe - rugby's support has remained focused in its traditional homelands.
The report said that 97 per cent of the 33 million people who watched last year's World Cup final between South Africa and England came from the eight so-called foundation countries - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
"There are 115 members of the IRB," the report said, "but rugby is evidently not particularly popular in most of them."
The report makes six recommendations: an overhaul of the IRB's structure, corporate best practice applied to the body, a five-year plan for the sport's development, specific programs with firm targets in growth regions, the 2015 World Cup being staged in one of those regions, and the inclusion of rugby sevens at the 2016 Olympics.
World Cup matches have only been hosted by the eight foundation nations since its inception in 1987 and the IRB has continually failed in its attempts to get sevens - the shorter and faster version of the 15-man game - included at the Olympics.
Following the success of Twenty20 cricket, the report urged the promotion of sevens as a way of bringing the sport to new audiences.
"Rugby is a special sport, with all the ingredients to be one of the most successful in the world," the report said.
-NZHERALD STAFF, AP
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Non credo che il seven (che stal rugby coem la dama agli scacchi) sia la strada giusta...Pukana ha scritto:Report slams decision to give Rugby World Cup to NZ
11:28AM Tuesday July 29, 2008
Rugby World CupThe 2011 Rugby World Cup should not have gone to a "small country" with limited "commercial potential" and a "saturated" rugby market, says an English report on the state of the game.
Putting Rugby First was penned by two legal firms and has been sent to rugby officials around the world.
It argues that rugby is at risk due to its "narrow global footprint" and says an overhaul of the International Rugby Board is needed.
The report points to the 2011 hosting rights being awarded to New Zealand as one of the key failures of the IRB.
"How many more rugby shirts are Adidas likely to be able to sell to New Zealanders? What sort of media audiences can realistically be expected in such a small, isolated market with a challenging time zone?" Asks the report.
It goes on to say that Japan would have been a suitable host with a larger market and could have acted as a "springboard" to the rest of Asia where 60 per cent of the world's population lives.
"Diehard rugby fans around the world, i.e. in the Foundation Unions, will watch at any hour but where will the new audience come from?" The report asks.
While soccer and American football have moved into new regions with zeal - soccer's 2002 World Cup was held in Japan and South Korea, and the NFL is set to repeat last year's success in holding a regular season game in Europe - rugby's support has remained focused in its traditional homelands.
The report said that 97 per cent of the 33 million people who watched last year's World Cup final between South Africa and England came from the eight so-called foundation countries - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
"There are 115 members of the IRB," the report said, "but rugby is evidently not particularly popular in most of them."
The report makes six recommendations: an overhaul of the IRB's structure, corporate best practice applied to the body, a five-year plan for the sport's development, specific programs with firm targets in growth regions, the 2015 World Cup being staged in one of those regions, and the inclusion of rugby sevens at the 2016 Olympics.
World Cup matches have only been hosted by the eight foundation nations since its inception in 1987 and the IRB has continually failed in its attempts to get sevens - the shorter and faster version of the 15-man game - included at the Olympics.
Following the success of Twenty20 cricket, the report urged the promotion of sevens as a way of bringing the sport to new audiences.
"Rugby is a special sport, with all the ingredients to be one of the most successful in the world," the report said.
-NZHERALD STAFF, AP
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per i paesi gia' rugbisticamente sviluppati invece il seven e' la strada giusta.Laporte ha scritto:Non credo che il seven (che stal rugby coem la dama agli scacchi) sia la strada giusta...Pukana ha scritto:Report slams decision to give Rugby World Cup to NZ
11:28AM Tuesday July 29, 2008
Rugby World CupThe 2011 Rugby World Cup should not have gone to a "small country" with limited "commercial potential" and a "saturated" rugby market, says an English report on the state of the game.
Putting Rugby First was penned by two legal firms and has been sent to rugby officials around the world.
It argues that rugby is at risk due to its "narrow global footprint" and says an overhaul of the International Rugby Board is needed.
The report points to the 2011 hosting rights being awarded to New Zealand as one of the key failures of the IRB.
"How many more rugby shirts are Adidas likely to be able to sell to New Zealanders? What sort of media audiences can realistically be expected in such a small, isolated market with a challenging time zone?" Asks the report.
It goes on to say that Japan would have been a suitable host with a larger market and could have acted as a "springboard" to the rest of Asia where 60 per cent of the world's population lives.
"Diehard rugby fans around the world, i.e. in the Foundation Unions, will watch at any hour but where will the new audience come from?" The report asks.
While soccer and American football have moved into new regions with zeal - soccer's 2002 World Cup was held in Japan and South Korea, and the NFL is set to repeat last year's success in holding a regular season game in Europe - rugby's support has remained focused in its traditional homelands.
The report said that 97 per cent of the 33 million people who watched last year's World Cup final between South Africa and England came from the eight so-called foundation countries - England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
"There are 115 members of the IRB," the report said, "but rugby is evidently not particularly popular in most of them."
The report makes six recommendations: an overhaul of the IRB's structure, corporate best practice applied to the body, a five-year plan for the sport's development, specific programs with firm targets in growth regions, the 2015 World Cup being staged in one of those regions, and the inclusion of rugby sevens at the 2016 Olympics.
World Cup matches have only been hosted by the eight foundation nations since its inception in 1987 and the IRB has continually failed in its attempts to get sevens - the shorter and faster version of the 15-man game - included at the Olympics.
Following the success of Twenty20 cricket, the report urged the promotion of sevens as a way of bringing the sport to new audiences.
"Rugby is a special sport, with all the ingredients to be one of the most successful in the world," the report said.
-NZHERALD STAFF, AP
Bisognerebbe rendere più democratiche le scelte e gli arbitraggi, piuttosto