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Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 7:55
da Pakeha_70
Serial offenders allowed to kill our game

It hasn't taken long for a major flaw to emerge from the much-touted ELVs with serial cheating at the breakdowns clearly more evident than it was under the old rules.


If scrums were the blight of 2007 then free-kicks have quickly become equally tiresome in 2008.

Offenders are happy to put their bodies on the line at the breakdowns and do everything possible to slow down the ball, arguably even more than 12 months ago.

Why? Because they know that predominantly they will only be conceding a free-kick rather than a penalty.

And when a team is under defensive pressure they can live with a free-kick because even if the opposition takes a quick tap, they still have a bit more time to get their defensive lines sorted.

The more I've watched play evolve under this law, the more I've become frustrated with it. I'm sure I'm not alone.

The referees have the right to penalise at the breakdowns but they seem to be slow to get tough.

The Hurricanes-Crusaders match was a classic example. The second half evolved into a stop-start affair dominated by Steve Walsh's whistle for free kicks - and the odd penalty.

Walsh needed to get tougher earlier - dish out penalties or go to his yellow card a long time before he gave Mose Tuiali'i a spell in the sin-bin late in the second half.

The tap-kicks really are turning top class rugby into touch footy.

Yes they speed the game up a bit but they are in danger of becoming as tedious as scrum resets because of where most of them are coming from - repeated offending at the breakdowns killing genuine attacking opportunities.

David Nucifora has been quick to point the finger at this area to explain some of his Blues team's recent difficulties.

Is he just another moaning coach or someone with a genuine gripe? I tend to back him on this one.

The Blues were ripping everyone apart in the early rounds. It's no coincidence that the more teams have learned how to work these new rules, the better some have become at cheating.

The best way to stop the Blues with their dangerous backline is to slow or stop their supply of ball.

That's not a new theory but it seems to be easier to accomplish under the new rules.

The Sharks laid down the blueprint with their fourth round defeat of the Blues in Durban where they smothered everything they could at ruck time. The Western Force, Stormers and Bulls have followed suit over the last three rounds. The Force tipped over the Blues while the Stormers and Bulls took them to the wire at Eden Park.

The Blues haven't helped themselves with some sloppy handling and other inaccuracies but one of the hottest teams in the tournament doesn't suddenly become stone-cold overnight without other evil forces at work.

It's going to be interesting to see where rugby gets to with these ELVs.

I don't see there being blanket acceptance, especially from our cynical friends up north who may have a growing support network down this way.

Nor do I see them being turfed out the window after all the investment the International Rugby Board have made in them.

I believe there will be some form of compromise. Some of them clearly make sense like quick throw-ins and stopping the pass-backs into the 22s to kick into touch on the full.

But their attempts to sort out the breakdowns don't appear to be working.

I read somewhere last weekend that on average the ball in play under the ELVs had increased by just 30s to 33m 30s in matches played in this year's Super 14.

If that's correct then it's a pretty meagre return.

The same column suggested that negative coaching was to blame.

At the risk of sounding negative, I think that's spot-on.

Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 9:22
da Mirta
http://www.planetrugby.com/Story/0,1825 ... 16,00.html

Leggete un po' qui: dal 1° settembre nuove regole anche per l'emisfero Nord. Queste si chiamano ORC e sono diverse dalle ELV. Ce ne sono alcune da mettersi le mani nei capelli...(tipo che chi calcia verso i pali non potrà più usare la piazzola: va bene penalizzare i cp però....)
Ma perchè dobbiamo cambiare o aggiungere regole ogni poco tempo? Ci credo che poi la gente non si avvicina dicendo che è complicato...

Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 9:30
da Pakeha_70
Mirta ha scritto:http://www.planetrugby.com/Story/0,1825 ... 16,00.html

Leggete un po' qui: dal 1° settembre nuove regole anche per l'emisfero Nord. Queste si chiamano ORC e sono diverse dalle ELV. Ce ne sono alcune da mettersi le mani nei capelli...(tipo che chi calcia verso i pali non potrà più usare la piazzola: va bene penalizzare i cp però....)
Ma perchè dobbiamo cambiare o aggiungere regole ogni poco tempo? Ci credo che poi la gente non si avvicina dicendo che è complicato...
Pesce d'Aprile?

Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 9:35
da Mirta
Pakeha_70 ha scritto:
Mirta ha scritto:http://www.planetrugby.com/Story/0,1825 ... 16,00.html

Leggete un po' qui: dal 1° settembre nuove regole anche per l'emisfero Nord. Queste si chiamano ORC e sono diverse dalle ELV. Ce ne sono alcune da mettersi le mani nei capelli...(tipo che chi calcia verso i pali non potrà più usare la piazzola: va bene penalizzare i cp però....)
Ma perchè dobbiamo cambiare o aggiungere regole ogni poco tempo? Ci credo che poi la gente non si avvicina dicendo che è complicato...
Pesce d'Aprile?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Non ci avevo pensato!!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:

Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 9:36
da pier12345
quelli nuvoi regoli il ORC Official Rugby Constitution...son fatti dei pazzi!!!

saranno i nuovi regole UFFICILAI per tutto il rugby Mondiale , iniziando en Settembre

A) il Crouch, Touch , Hold...nella mischia....FUORI ( ma pensavo che lo hanno interdotto per ragioni di sicurezza?)

B) il Touche..
si puo calciare per il touche da qualsiasa parte del campo, ed anche uscendo direttamente...non importa...il guadagno del terreno c'e !!
in piu...chi clacia fuoir avra anche il touche!!!!
in piu piu.....fuori i alzatori nel touche.....cosi il vechio sistema ....un a bella free for all!
poi...Tutti gli avanti devono essere presnete per ogni touche!

C) i calci piazzati.....fuori il piazzarola...( va bene) pero anche sara penazliato chifa stiramenti o qualsiasa rutina prima di calciare!!?

D) Fuori gioco..adesso 10 metri indietro della ultima piede del Touche e Mischia

E) Rucks/Breakdown.....altra FREE FOR ALL...mani nei rucks, entrare laterali...tutti vale.


questa non mi sembra rugby...sembra un ibrido sport.....dove la pericolisita e aumentato spettocolaremente....e dove i grossi 3/4 avranno enorme vantaggio ..visot la fisicalita che vogliono inserire nel gioco, e la spazi dato adesso ai 3/4 per essere lanciato.

Inviato: 1 apr 2008, 9:45
da Pakeha_70
pier12345 ha scritto:quelli nuvoi regoli il ORC Official Rugby Constitution...son fatti dei pazzi!!!

saranno i nuovi regole UFFICILAI per tutto il rugby Mondiale , iniziando en Settembre

A) il Crouch, Touch , Hold...nella mischia....FUORI ( ma pensavo che lo hanno interdotto per ragioni di sicurezza?)

B) il Touche..
si puo calciare per il touche da qualsiasa parte del campo, ed anche uscendo direttamente...non importa...il guadagno del terreno c'e !!
in piu...chi clacia fuoir avra anche il touche!!!!
in piu piu.....fuori i alzatori nel touche.....cosi il vechio sistema ....un a bella free for all!
poi...Tutti gli avanti devono essere presnete per ogni touche!

C) i calci piazzati.....fuori il piazzarola...( va bene) pero anche sara penazliato chifa stiramenti o qualsiasa rutina prima di calciare!!?

D) Fuori gioco..adesso 10 metri indietro della ultima piede del Touche e Mischia

E) Rucks/Breakdown.....altra FREE FOR ALL...mani nei rucks, entrare laterali...tutti vale.


questa non mi sembra rugby...sembra un ibrido sport.....dove la pericolisita e aumentato spettocolaremente....e dove i grossi 3/4 avranno enorme vantaggio ..visot la fisicalita che vogliono inserire nel gioco, e la spazi dato adesso ai 3/4 per essere lanciato.
April fool's day..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Inviato: 3 apr 2008, 18:02
da pier12345
hahahah!

mi e cascato e proprio en pieno!!
dirty feckers!! :lol:

Inviato: 3 apr 2008, 19:10
da Ale_86
Come opinione generale, se prima le nuove regole non mi convincevano neanche un pò, dopo le prime partite, una volta fatta l'abitudine, ho cominciato ad apprezzarle.

Tuttavia la penso esattamente come nell'articolo sopra postato da Pakeha. Visto che la maggior parte delle infrazioni nel raggruppamento sono ora punite soltanto con un free-kick, si comincia ad ostacolare volontariamente l'uscita del pallone, sia per rallentare il gioco degli attaccanti, sia per permettere ai propri compagni in sostegno, se in ritardo, di arrivare a spazzare.

E generalmente, prima che l'arbitro passi dalla definizione di "mani in ruck/tenuto a terra etc" a "gioco cinico", con conseguente rasformazione del "free kick" in "penalty", passa almeno mezza partita...

Il risultato secondo me è un rallentamento del gioco, e non una velocizzazione, quale vorrebbe essere il fine delle ELV.

Inviato: 6 apr 2008, 1:09
da Pakeha_70
Man mano che passano le partite ci si accorge che il problema dalla ruck non è stato risolto.

Qualcuno vorrebbe una soluzione drastica....

Bring back rucking to get rid of cheats
By DUNCAN JOHNSTONE

In its wisdom, the International Rugby Board wanted 11 experimental law variations (ELVs) introduced to this year's Super 14. Fortunately that was restricted to eight.

I recommend one change that would accomplish what they are trying to do to liven up rugby - bring back rucking!

Eight weeks into the Super 14 and a major flaw in the new laws has quickly been exposed: the breakdowns are now simply a licence to cheat.

They are more of a mess than they ever were and until referees get tougher on dealing with the serial offenders this new-look rugby is going to be the same old stop-start affair.

The ELVs were designed to make the game faster and give it more flow. But last year's nemesis, the scrum, has been replaced by the free kick as the most frustrating feature of the new-look game.

The ELVs call for free kicks instead of penalties for some offences. As a result, players are prepared to flop all over the ball to cut off or stall the opposition's supply because they know they will usually cop a free kick rather than a penalty.

And a free kick allows their defence just enough time to get organised.

You sense that the free kick is also an easy option for the referees, allowing them to sidestep the issue of narrowing their focus to the real culprits at the breakdown.

Until the referees dish out early penalties or yellow cards, the cheats will prosper and rugby will be reduced to a stuttering game of bull-rush.

The simple way to speed up the supply of second phase ball is to return to rucking, a rugby tradition sadly eradicated by the same people who are now trying to fix the game.

The conspiracy theorists would suggest that hard-core rucking was removed from the game to depower its best exponents - the All Blacks. They are probably right.

The PC brigade that dominates much of the sporting and social world these days will argue it was removed for safety reasons. Yes, there is an element of danger to rucking but there was always an unwritten law that said the head was sacrosanct. Players who brought sprigs and scalp together knew they were in for justice, either in the form of a dust-up, the referee or the judiciary.

But there never was a quicker way to get an opponent out of the wrong side of a ruck than to give them a tickle up. Correctly done, players could be rolled out of a ruck with military precision through clever use of a boot or two.

Conversely, players knew what to expect when they were caught in the wrong place. Desperate times called for desperate measures and if the consequences were ripped jerseys and bloodied backs then these scars were worn with a sense of pride. Ask Buck Shelford. He was quick to dish it out but he was equally happy to take his medicine as well.

The thing with rucking was that, by and large, the players sorted out the mess themselves, eliminating guess-work from referees. Most importantly, they ensured quick ball was available for use when it was needed most.

At the risk of sounding like a rugby dinosaur, that simply isn't happening enough in today's game.

What we have is a game where cheats prosper and the refs run the risk of tennis elbow from dishing out so many free kicks.

There are obvious merits to some of the ELVs, most notably the 5m rule at scrums and the pass-back into the 22. It will be fascinating to see how many, if any, survive the cut when their architects, the IRB, ultimately make the call on their future once the northern hemisphere sides play with them.

To me, rugby would be better to look back to move forward and return rucking to the rough and tumble of forward play.

Refereeing bosses will claim that technically rucking is still allowed and that it's merely the motion of the boot that differentiates rucking from stamping.

If that was truly the case, why don't we see it in use?

Rucking has clearly become too risky and is now a forgotten - make that forbidden - art.

It needn't be. Right now rucking should be seen as a solution rather than a sin.

Inviato: 6 apr 2008, 19:50
da Ale_86
Un pelo troppo drastica magari..