nx nxLuighi ha scritto:Bilancio:
<BR>Prima partita non persa senza Dominguez.
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6N 2006: bilancio finale
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questo è quello che pensa di noi PLANET RUGBY,in sintesi senza riorganizzazione dei campionati non c'è reale possibilità di crescita tecnica/spettacolare/economica del movimento ,
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State of the Six Nations - Italy
Tuesday March 21 2006
Italy's bright future not yet secure
It is hard to get tired of the colour, enthusiasm and simple difference that Italy has brought to Europe's flagship tournament, irrespective of past results.
Mirco Bergamasco: One of the foreign-based contingent
A packed Stadio Flaminio, belting out Italy's proud and gusto-laden anthem is a sight that every top-level tournament should be blessed with.
This time though, the Italians promised, and then delivered. No wins once again was the return, but they held leads over France, England, Scotland and Ireland, and fought back from 15-3 down away at Wales to grab their first ever Six Nations point on the road. Wooden spoon or not, this tournament has been a success for Pierre Berbizier.
So, the future is bright in Italy. But below international level, the game in Italy seems to be fast approaching a crossroads - and help in both choosing and travelling down the right road will almost be required from sources outside of the country.
Of the 22 fielded in the final game against Scotland, eight play outside of Italy. That would have been nine had Mauro Bergamasco not succumbed to injury early on in the tournament, and if the same team took to the field next year, it would be eleven, as Carlos Nieto has now joined Gloucester and Martin Castrogiovanni has gone to Leicester.
It is safe to assume that over the next twelve months there will be more Italian international players heading across Europe's borders as well, with the demand for players in France higher than ever, and English big spenders also waking up to the fact that internationals are available at knock-down prices.
For the players, it is an opportunity that simply cannot be refused. They will move to the best leagues and play week in, week out, with, and against, the best of the Northern Hemisphere.
For Italy's national side, this is marvellous. Would Mirco Bergamasco have been player of the tournament if he was not learning alongside Juan Hernandez, Christophe Dominici, David Skrela, and Agustín Pichot at Stade Français? Imagine what the Leicester forward coaching chaps will add to Castrogiovanni.
Italy's only exposure outside of their Super 10 is in the Heineken Cup, but of the two ever-present teams, Treviso have a ludicrous number of foreign players on their books, and while Calvisano do well at developing local talent, they are never strong enough to do more than limit the number of bonus points scored against them.
Below that, five Italian clubs are in the European Challenge Cup, but fare no better than their countrymen in the Heineken Cup. Not a single Italian team made it to the quarter-finals this year. The Super 10 has been more competitive than most previous years this season, but Treviso are still top, as they have been for many years. Below them, there is not much competition.
Attendances for league matches are poor, and the clubs have low budgets. European Cup matches provide a welcome boost, but it is nothing that a foundation could be built on.
So, an exodus to more competitive and challenging shores by the top players is to be expected - John Kirwan has said that he knows of ten players in Italy's elite squad who will be moving on this year, aside from Nieto and Castrogiovanni.
Kirwan, writing in the Observer last week, also said that his most pressing long-term aim had been to amalgamate Italian teams into the Celtic League, most likely as regions.
The politics got in the way - including an apparent resistance from the three Celtic Nations to Italian teams joining in. That might have only been Wales, who were involved in the utterly selfish and ultimately destructive agenda of joining the Powergen Cup.
The share of television audience for rugby in Italy has apparently increased threefold during the last five years, but, as with any television audience, it needs a product. The more Italy's players go to France and England, the less local passive interest will be activated. Italian sub-international rugby needs regular local, high-profile matches, and needs just one or two fresh-faced Daniel Carter-type superstars playing in these matches to get their passionate rugby public out of their shells full-time.
Kirwan's interest in having Italian teams joining the Celtic League was absolutely spot on. There would be political upheavals - very much akin to those which dogged David Moffat's regionalisation of Welsh rugby - but perhaps the subsequent success of the Welsh framework, not to mention the recent rise in stature of the Scottish regions, would help make such a move less fractious.
Then Italy's players would stay in Italy and play for Italian teams. Then the game would have a chance to develop in a new country. Then Italian clubs would be more competitive in Europe. Then, the foreign-based Italian players might return. Then the Celtic League would get some badly-needed colour, and perhaps even a sponsor. Then the Italian clubs - and their Union - would get an injection of cash. And so it goes on.
So, on the back of the Six Nations success of 2006, Italian rugby is approaching a crossroads. It is up to both the FIR to make the courageous decision to go forward down the road that the Welsh and Scottish went down, and it is even more up to the Celtic Nations, as entrenched members of the international rugby community, to move the subsequent roadblocks and welcome these courageous Azzurri onto their private pathway. Not just for the good of Italian rugby, but for the good of the Celtic League, the Heineken Cup, and for the good of the world game.
By Danny Stephens
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State of the Six Nations - Italy
Tuesday March 21 2006
Italy's bright future not yet secure
It is hard to get tired of the colour, enthusiasm and simple difference that Italy has brought to Europe's flagship tournament, irrespective of past results.
Mirco Bergamasco: One of the foreign-based contingent
A packed Stadio Flaminio, belting out Italy's proud and gusto-laden anthem is a sight that every top-level tournament should be blessed with.
This time though, the Italians promised, and then delivered. No wins once again was the return, but they held leads over France, England, Scotland and Ireland, and fought back from 15-3 down away at Wales to grab their first ever Six Nations point on the road. Wooden spoon or not, this tournament has been a success for Pierre Berbizier.
So, the future is bright in Italy. But below international level, the game in Italy seems to be fast approaching a crossroads - and help in both choosing and travelling down the right road will almost be required from sources outside of the country.
Of the 22 fielded in the final game against Scotland, eight play outside of Italy. That would have been nine had Mauro Bergamasco not succumbed to injury early on in the tournament, and if the same team took to the field next year, it would be eleven, as Carlos Nieto has now joined Gloucester and Martin Castrogiovanni has gone to Leicester.
It is safe to assume that over the next twelve months there will be more Italian international players heading across Europe's borders as well, with the demand for players in France higher than ever, and English big spenders also waking up to the fact that internationals are available at knock-down prices.
For the players, it is an opportunity that simply cannot be refused. They will move to the best leagues and play week in, week out, with, and against, the best of the Northern Hemisphere.
For Italy's national side, this is marvellous. Would Mirco Bergamasco have been player of the tournament if he was not learning alongside Juan Hernandez, Christophe Dominici, David Skrela, and Agustín Pichot at Stade Français? Imagine what the Leicester forward coaching chaps will add to Castrogiovanni.
Italy's only exposure outside of their Super 10 is in the Heineken Cup, but of the two ever-present teams, Treviso have a ludicrous number of foreign players on their books, and while Calvisano do well at developing local talent, they are never strong enough to do more than limit the number of bonus points scored against them.
Below that, five Italian clubs are in the European Challenge Cup, but fare no better than their countrymen in the Heineken Cup. Not a single Italian team made it to the quarter-finals this year. The Super 10 has been more competitive than most previous years this season, but Treviso are still top, as they have been for many years. Below them, there is not much competition.
Attendances for league matches are poor, and the clubs have low budgets. European Cup matches provide a welcome boost, but it is nothing that a foundation could be built on.
So, an exodus to more competitive and challenging shores by the top players is to be expected - John Kirwan has said that he knows of ten players in Italy's elite squad who will be moving on this year, aside from Nieto and Castrogiovanni.
Kirwan, writing in the Observer last week, also said that his most pressing long-term aim had been to amalgamate Italian teams into the Celtic League, most likely as regions.
The politics got in the way - including an apparent resistance from the three Celtic Nations to Italian teams joining in. That might have only been Wales, who were involved in the utterly selfish and ultimately destructive agenda of joining the Powergen Cup.
The share of television audience for rugby in Italy has apparently increased threefold during the last five years, but, as with any television audience, it needs a product. The more Italy's players go to France and England, the less local passive interest will be activated. Italian sub-international rugby needs regular local, high-profile matches, and needs just one or two fresh-faced Daniel Carter-type superstars playing in these matches to get their passionate rugby public out of their shells full-time.
Kirwan's interest in having Italian teams joining the Celtic League was absolutely spot on. There would be political upheavals - very much akin to those which dogged David Moffat's regionalisation of Welsh rugby - but perhaps the subsequent success of the Welsh framework, not to mention the recent rise in stature of the Scottish regions, would help make such a move less fractious.
Then Italy's players would stay in Italy and play for Italian teams. Then the game would have a chance to develop in a new country. Then Italian clubs would be more competitive in Europe. Then, the foreign-based Italian players might return. Then the Celtic League would get some badly-needed colour, and perhaps even a sponsor. Then the Italian clubs - and their Union - would get an injection of cash. And so it goes on.
So, on the back of the Six Nations success of 2006, Italian rugby is approaching a crossroads. It is up to both the FIR to make the courageous decision to go forward down the road that the Welsh and Scottish went down, and it is even more up to the Celtic Nations, as entrenched members of the international rugby community, to move the subsequent roadblocks and welcome these courageous Azzurri onto their private pathway. Not just for the good of Italian rugby, but for the good of the Celtic League, the Heineken Cup, and for the good of the world game.
By Danny Stephens
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6N failure costs RFU £1m
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Six Nations failure costs RFU £1m
England's hugely disappointing Six Nations campaign cost the Rugby Football Union £1m in lost revenue.
They missed out on television incentive payments and sponsorship money after the team finished fourth in the table for the second successive year.
"We budget to win the Six Nations as that gives you maximum revenue, but you are also budgeting to pay win bonuses," said RFU chief executive Francis Baron.
The reigning world champions won just two games, beating Wales and Italy.
A review of England's 2006 campaign is currently being carried out and is due to be completed by 28 April.
Baron warned that the positions of everyone, from head coach Andy Robinson down, are being looked at.
Following the second year running when we have had a less than acceptable performance, all the issues have to be looked at," he said.
"We have clearly got to bottom out with the wide range of issues because things in our structures haven't delivered the desired results."
Baron added: "We have to make sure that these decisions should be right, not only in the short term but in the longer term as well.
"There are people's careers at stake here. We are not going to be rushed into doing a half-baked job. We have to get it right for the England team and for rugby in our country."
Six Nations failure costs RFU £1m
England's hugely disappointing Six Nations campaign cost the Rugby Football Union £1m in lost revenue.
They missed out on television incentive payments and sponsorship money after the team finished fourth in the table for the second successive year.
"We budget to win the Six Nations as that gives you maximum revenue, but you are also budgeting to pay win bonuses," said RFU chief executive Francis Baron.
The reigning world champions won just two games, beating Wales and Italy.
A review of England's 2006 campaign is currently being carried out and is due to be completed by 28 April.
Baron warned that the positions of everyone, from head coach Andy Robinson down, are being looked at.
Following the second year running when we have had a less than acceptable performance, all the issues have to be looked at," he said.
"We have clearly got to bottom out with the wide range of issues because things in our structures haven't delivered the desired results."
Baron added: "We have to make sure that these decisions should be right, not only in the short term but in the longer term as well.
"There are people's careers at stake here. We are not going to be rushed into doing a half-baked job. We have to get it right for the England team and for rugby in our country."
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Billie Hai ragione,chiedo venia.billingham ha scritto:nx nxLuighi ha scritto:Bilancio:
<BR>Prima partita non persa senza Dominguez.
dimentichi Italia-Scozia del 6nazioni 2004
Per Intoppa non volevo dire che è meglio di ongaro o festuccia, solo volevo dire che bisogna cercare un tallonatore più dinamico (non so se Intoppa sia la soluzione migliore, ma è uno dei pochi altri italiani titolari in quel ruolo).
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Stabilità delle convocazioni
I commenti di molti appassionati e di molti addetti ai lavori hanno sottolineato che i grandi lavori per il mondiale 2007 sono effettivamente già iniziati.
Il numero di test match che mancano alle squadre europee prima della manifestazione è infatti ormai molto ridotto, ed occorreva iniziare a stabilire un gruppo stabile e compatto su cui eventualmente effettuare inserimenti mirati.
In questo reputo ottimo il lavoro effettuato da Berbizier: sempre gli stessi giocatori, in campo il più possibile.
Questa squadra ai mondiali avrà giocato 10 incontri del Sei Nazioni e due test di qualificazione, più gli incontri delle tournée estive.
Con l'inserimento di Masi, ed il recupero al meglio di Castrogiovanni, Aaron Persico e Mauro Bergamasco avremo -come al solito- un pacchetto forte e un po' di brillantezza in più nei trequarti.
Ci manca un'apertura al livello di Pez, che possa eventualmente sostituirlo, e qualche centro un po' più fisico (Manuel Dallan?) per avere una rosa che ci dia finalmente la soddisfazione del passaggio del turno!
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Le altre squadre: vedo bene Galles e Scozia, che hanno raccolto la sfida dell'emisfero sud, e giocano molto il pallone con gli avanti ed hanno anche loro (quando possibile) formazioni stabili.
In leggero declino l'Irlanda: molto forte, ma con i giocatori chiave sempre più logori e gioco non in linea con l'evoluzione tecnico-tattica dell'emisfero sud.
Problemi per Inghilterra e Francia: poca stabilità nella guida tecnica (Eng) e desiderio di giocare più come singoli che come squadra (Fra). Entrambe le squadre apparentemente non hanno scelto quasi nessun giocatore per il XV dei mondiali e quindi probabilmente soffriranno più del dovuto negli incontri a punteggio ravvicinato.
Il numero di test match che mancano alle squadre europee prima della manifestazione è infatti ormai molto ridotto, ed occorreva iniziare a stabilire un gruppo stabile e compatto su cui eventualmente effettuare inserimenti mirati.
In questo reputo ottimo il lavoro effettuato da Berbizier: sempre gli stessi giocatori, in campo il più possibile.
Questa squadra ai mondiali avrà giocato 10 incontri del Sei Nazioni e due test di qualificazione, più gli incontri delle tournée estive.
Con l'inserimento di Masi, ed il recupero al meglio di Castrogiovanni, Aaron Persico e Mauro Bergamasco avremo -come al solito- un pacchetto forte e un po' di brillantezza in più nei trequarti.
Ci manca un'apertura al livello di Pez, che possa eventualmente sostituirlo, e qualche centro un po' più fisico (Manuel Dallan?) per avere una rosa che ci dia finalmente la soddisfazione del passaggio del turno!
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Le altre squadre: vedo bene Galles e Scozia, che hanno raccolto la sfida dell'emisfero sud, e giocano molto il pallone con gli avanti ed hanno anche loro (quando possibile) formazioni stabili.
In leggero declino l'Irlanda: molto forte, ma con i giocatori chiave sempre più logori e gioco non in linea con l'evoluzione tecnico-tattica dell'emisfero sud.
Problemi per Inghilterra e Francia: poca stabilità nella guida tecnica (Eng) e desiderio di giocare più come singoli che come squadra (Fra). Entrambe le squadre apparentemente non hanno scelto quasi nessun giocatore per il XV dei mondiali e quindi probabilmente soffriranno più del dovuto negli incontri a punteggio ravvicinato.
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RE: Stabilità delle convocazioni
Beh... diciamo che Francia ed Inghilterra devono scegliere in un parco giocatori molto piú ampio delle altre nazionali, quindi ci sta che i giochi per loro non siano ancora fatti. Quanto all'Irlanda, non sono d'accordo: hanno inserito un gran numero di nuovi giocatori, tutti giovani, e ció nonostante sono riusciti ad ottenere risultati. Concordo che il loro gioco non é stato né innovativo né brillante, ma la squadra é in gran parte nuova con pochi ultratrentenni. Magari non saranno in grado di giocare in maniera diversa in futuro, ma di sicuro hanno un punto di partenza piuttosto avanzato e grossi margini di miglioramento in termini di efficacia.
"It ain't over till the fat man spins!" - David Gower, 2005
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salve a tutti,io sono nuovo sia del forum ke del rugby, nel senso ke lo seguo da quando l'italia è entrata nel 6N... però ho visto tutte le partite dell'italia e negli ultimi 3 anni tutte quelle del 6N (che contanto 2 ore a partita per 3 partite di fila al sabato fanno... una morosa inkaz...ta parecchio!!). Devo dire ke a parte il primo anno,kon l'esordio sfolgorante ed entusiasmante kon la scozia, questo è il primo anno ke posso dire ke l'italia se l'è giocata con tutte e il fatto stesso di stilare classifiche con l'italia considerata al pari della altre mi fà molto piacere.
nn pretendo di poter troppo entrare in discorsi tecnici,data la mia poca conoscenza, ma in effetti mi sono inc... parecchi quando ho visto ke in touche nn andavamo proprio,e và bene se contro hai l'inghilterra ke parte subito in mole e ti metti già a difendere,ma in tutte le partite mi pare troppo! cmq confido ke BBZ ci mostrerà qualkosa in futuro,diamogli tempo.
l'uniko vero quesito è questo: in determinate situazioni in attacco, xkè nn sfruttiamo mai la velocità di un nitoglia (magari in condizione!) con il classico calcio sull'ala ke inghilterra e francia fanno sempre? (se mi ricordo bene la francia ci ha vinto un 6N 2 anni fà contro l'inghilterra così) mi sembra ke pez sia in grado e ke possa servirci a modificareil nostro gioco invece di buttarsi tutti dentro nei 22 dritto per dritto.
ke ne pensate?
nn pretendo di poter troppo entrare in discorsi tecnici,data la mia poca conoscenza, ma in effetti mi sono inc... parecchi quando ho visto ke in touche nn andavamo proprio,e và bene se contro hai l'inghilterra ke parte subito in mole e ti metti già a difendere,ma in tutte le partite mi pare troppo! cmq confido ke BBZ ci mostrerà qualkosa in futuro,diamogli tempo.
l'uniko vero quesito è questo: in determinate situazioni in attacco, xkè nn sfruttiamo mai la velocità di un nitoglia (magari in condizione!) con il classico calcio sull'ala ke inghilterra e francia fanno sempre? (se mi ricordo bene la francia ci ha vinto un 6N 2 anni fà contro l'inghilterra così) mi sembra ke pez sia in grado e ke possa servirci a modificareil nostro gioco invece di buttarsi tutti dentro nei 22 dritto per dritto.
ke ne pensate?