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commenti dall'estero
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Pakeha_70
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Te ne posto una tratto da rugbyheaven.au dove alla fine ammettono che l'ostruzione c'era...milesgersenroma ha scritto:chi è che può postare commenti e/o articoli da parte di tecnici, giornalisti, tifosi stranieri sulla partita dell'italia con l'australia?
grazie anticipate
Qualcuno di voi a Padova ha visto Quade Cooper and James O'Connor passarsi il pallone in Corso Milano venerdì sera?
LATE on Friday night, down one of the main streets of Padova, were two shadowy figures, perched on either side of the Corso Milano, flinging a football to each other.
In the darkness, all you could see was the flash of the football, as either person waited for the traffic to clear before throwing massive 10-metre passes. Each pass was followed by gleeful laughter as first one, then the other, caught the speeding bullet, their night eyes picking out the missiles as if they were being thrown in broad daylight.
They were just a couple of kids - Quade Cooper and James O'Connor - wanting to get out of their hotel room, take some air and have a bit of fun, little knowing that within 24 hours their impromptu game would take on some relevance.
Mucking around in the dark obviously helped settle their nerves, because at Stadio Euganeo each showed he was on his way to becoming a notable Wallaby.
In Cooper's case, he saved Australia from ignominy - a fair effort considering it was his first Test. And in the city of St Anthony's tomb, it was Cooper who provided the miracle.
Before Cooper's incredible cameo, which resulted in a match-winning try in the 72nd minute when he showed off several David Campese-like sidesteps, the Wallabies' attack was all over the place. Unlike the Wallabies' pack, which held firm, the back line stuttered, too often trying to rush play, kicking all over the place, as if performing the Can Can, and getting decidedly rattled by their scrambling opponents.
Berrick Barnes departed early through injury, and when Matt Giteau came off the bench, it seemed as if the Test five-eighth's mind wasn't quite on the job. Maybe he had thought it was going to be an easy afternoon. It was almost as if he was unsettled by his early involvement, and it took an eternity for him to look comfortable. In the end, this was far from one of his best Test displays.
When Cooper came on in the 61st minute to replace Timana Tahu, slotting in at five-eighth, at 20-20, the game could have gone either way.
For a 20-year-old, this was one of those moments that could have so easily ruined his Test career. In such an important position, one wrong option, one silly pass, a second of nervousness or indecision could have resulted in Italy's humiliation of the Wallabies.
But Cooper held firm. He looked surprisingly relaxed, as he had at training all week, throwing immaculate passes, and then showing all the brashness of youth in chancing his arm, which resulted in the match-deciding try.
For good reason, the Italians claimed there was an obstruction, but the Wallabies could argue with some justification that they are now square for the tour after the All Blacks won on a forward pass in Hong Kong the week before.
Then came a bold coaching decision. Australia were only seven points ahead and, with Italy continuing to hassle, it was not the time for positional gambles. But Wallabies coach Robbie Deans didn't think so, deciding with eight minutes to go to bring on O'Connor, who at 18 years and 126 days became the second-youngest Australian Test player of all time.
O'Connor, at fullback, had nowhere near the impact of Cooper, but he got himself involved, proving again that if you give a kid a chance, they often produce the goods.
And there are those who have been sitting in limbo. Prop Ben Alexander had been waiting for months to get his chance, and when it came he shot out of the blocks. Considering it was his first starting Test match, and he had not played since July, his performance was exceptional.
He was everywhere in open play, kept the scrum steady, and was close to Australia's best on the field.
No wonder Deans is so focused on his youth policy. It worked in Padova.
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JosephK.
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Ma porca zozzaccia!!! Io ho visto intorno alle 19 e 30 alcuni australiani passarsi l'ovale su Corso Milano ma mi sembravano giovanissimi (ho pensato che fossero accompagnatori...) e non ho riconosciuto nessuno: mi sono messo a fare il pirlotto anche io e a corrergli dietro chiedendogli l'ovale ma... correvano un po' troppo e ho raggiunto solo uno perché si è fermato a fare pipì sul ponte prima del centro di Padova...Pakeha_70 ha scritto:
Qualcuno di voi a Padova ha visto Quade Cooper and James O'Connor passarsi il pallone in Corso Milano venerdì sera?
Vuoi dire ho mezzo giocato con due wallabies?
"Volevo che tu imparassi una cosa: volevo che tu vedessi che cosa è il vero coraggio, tu che credi che sia rappresentato da un uomo col fucile in mano. Aver coraggio significa sapere di essere sconfitti prima ancora di cominciare, e cominciare egualmente e arrivare fino in fondo, qualsiasi cosa accada. E' raro vincere in questi casi, ma qualche volta succede" (Il Buio oltre la siepe).
Metti una sera con gli amici del bar e capisci quanto è importante... la cultura del rugby.
Entrare al bar per condividere, non per dividere (Il sommo Beppone).
Nex time... Good Game... Nice try... Seh seh avemo capito...
Metti una sera con gli amici del bar e capisci quanto è importante... la cultura del rugby.
Entrare al bar per condividere, non per dividere (Il sommo Beppone).
Nex time... Good Game... Nice try... Seh seh avemo capito...
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Pakeha_70
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Re: commenti dall'estero
La stampa inglese, che invece è molto più sgamata, ha fatto uscire qualche articolo che dice senza mezze misure che gli australiani in mischia imbrogliano con tanto di spiegazione di alcuni dei trucchetti che il pack australiano mette in opera.
Tutto questo sperando che anche l'arbitro di ING-AUS di sabato prossimo lo legga...
A chi interessa...
The English press have set the scene for fireworks at scrum time at Twickenham on Saturday by accusing Wallabies tight-head prop Al Baxter of cheating throughout his career to mask his set-piece deficiencies.
Under the headings of "Time to expose Australia's flaws" and "Wallabies woes", The Sunday Telegraph and The Sunday Times respectively dedicated one page of coverage each on Sunday to lambast Baxter and to encourage referees to penalise him and the England pack to target him.
Former England second-rower Paul Ackford, in The Sunday Telegraph, wrote "In my experience, no other side of Australia's stature and quality has existed at the sharp end of international rugby for so long with such a fundamental flaw to their game, begging the question: how and why have they got away with it for so long?"
He continued: "It is when they are trying to protect their own put in that the Wallabies get up to their tricks. One ploy is to collapse at the hit. Early in the game referees are reluctant to penalise teams so the tight-head (usually Baxter) will head for the floor as soon as the pressure comes on. By the time the referee has sorted out the problems, which usually means him coming round from the other side of the scrum to deliver a lecture, and by the time the scrum has been re-set, the opposition pack have had the steam taken out of the engagement. Australia then put the ball into the scrum swiftly and get it out through the fastest channel available. Job done.
"Baxter's role in this subterfuge is crucial. Ramrod straight, eyes blazing, he looks every inch the aggressive, rugged scrummaging tight-head until he engages his opponent, at which point he folds. The worst thing for Baxter and the Australian scrummage is if the referee insists they stay up off the floor and participate in a proper contest.
"New Zealander Steve Walsh is in charge when England meet Australia at Twickenham on Saturday. It will be fascinating to discover whether he will be persuaded by Baxter's body language before the hit, of the fact that he slips his bind to grasp his opponent's arm (illegal) rather than his back (legal) when the front rows eventually collide."
Stephen Jones, a long-term trenchant critic of southern hemisphere rugby, was equally as scathing in The Sunday Times.
"Al Baxter, the Australian prop, has won more than 50 caps, which is a tribute to his durability and courage in adversity," Jones wrote. "He will be at Twickenham on Saturday with the Wallabies. However, his presence will also be a comment on the desperate lack in Australia of props with an ounce of credibility on the world stage, because if rugby had the same procedure as boxing in saving the battered from further punishment, then Baxter would have hardly finished a match.
"And this is a cold reality that Australia must deal with, because for all their new outlook, their new coach (the New Zealander, Robbie Deans), for all their muscular talents and brilliance of Matt Giteau and Luke Burgess at halfback, this new Australia will be haunted by the weaknesses of the old, and by the feebleness of their scrum.
"For a great deal of those 50 caps, Baxter's nose has been in grass. In the 2003 World Cup final, the limitations of Baxter and the Australian scrum were blindingly obvious, to all except the referee. Andre Watson's scandalous performance and his penalising of the superior England scrum represented a day to live in refereeing infamy and it almost saved Australia entirely."
Jones went on to mention Australia's scrummaging woes at Twickenham in 2005 and in Marseille last year, in the World Cup quarter-final.
"Props all over the world have accused Australia of cheating their way out of their own weaknesses over the years but the three demolition jobs by England finally nailed the myth that Australia could compete up front."
Wallabies forwards coach Michael Foley was another to cop some criticism for his alleged role in the scrummaging skullduggery. Ackford wrote: "The other factor is that the Australians are very good at disguising their inadequacies. Their current forwards' coach, Michael Foley, was a highly respected Test hooker who stiffened the Wallaby scrum noticeably when he came back into the team during the 2001 Lions tour. Foley, who also coached at Bath, knows what works and what doesn't in the Test environment. He also knows precisely how to coax survival from a chronically weak scrummage."
Still, it wasn't all bad news for the Wallabies in the eyes of the English pundits. Ackford described loose-head Benn Robinson and hooker as "the best scrummagers they have had for some time" while Jones nominated Richard Brown, Luke Burgess, Stephen Moore, Ryan Cross and Berrick Barnes as the new Wallabies who could test England.
England defeated the Pacific Islands 39-13 on Saturday in a performance that mixed the impressive with the mundane. Debutants Delon Armitage (fullback) and Ugo Monye (wing) have injected some express pace into the back three to complement the dangerous Paul Sackey, but as World Cup-winning inside back Mike Catt noted in the Sunday Telegraph, "the Wallabies will test England's raw back three far more severely".
The Wallabies' back row is also sure to turn up the heat on England wonderboy Danny Cipriani - who showed his inexperience on Saturday with a kick charge-down that cost his side seven points - although new halfback Danny Care looks to be a real livewire.
"And this is a cold reality that Australia must deal with, because for all their new outlook, their new coach (the New Zealander, Robbie Deans), for all their muscular talents and brilliance of Matt Giteau and Luke Burgess at halfback, this new Australia will be haunted by the weaknesses of the old, and by the feebleness of their scrum.
"For a great deal of those 50 caps, Baxter's nose has been in grass. In the 2003 World Cup final, the limitations of Baxter and the Australian scrum were blindingly obvious, to all except the referee. Andre Watson's scandalous performance and his penalising of the superior England scrum represented a day to live in refereeing infamy and it almost saved Australia entirely."
Jones went on to mention Australia's scrummaging woes at Twickenham in 2005 and in Marseille last year, in the World Cup quarter-final.
"Props all over the world have accused Australia of cheating their way out of their own weaknesses over the years but the three demolition jobs by England finally nailed the myth that Australia could compete up front."
Wallabies forwards coach Michael Foley was another to cop some criticism for his alleged role in the scrummaging skullduggery. Ackford wrote: "The other factor is that the Australians are very good at disguising their inadequacies. Their current forwards' coach, Michael Foley, was a highly respected Test hooker who stiffened the Wallaby scrum noticeably when he came back into the team during the 2001 Lions tour. Foley, who also coached at Bath, knows what works and what doesn't in the Test environment. He also knows precisely how to coax survival from a chronically weak scrummage."
Still, it wasn't all bad news for the Wallabies in the eyes of the English pundits. Ackford described loose-head Benn Robinson and hooker as "the best scrummagers they have had for some time" while Jones nominated Richard Brown, Luke Burgess, Stephen Moore, Ryan Cross and Berrick Barnes as the new Wallabies who could test England.
England defeated the Pacific Islands 39-13 on Saturday in a performance that mixed the impressive with the mundane. Debutants Delon Armitage (fullback) and Ugo Monye (wing) have injected some express pace into the back three to complement the dangerous Paul Sackey, but as World Cup-winning inside back Mike Catt noted in the Sunday Telegraph, "the Wallabies will test England's raw back three far more severely".
The Wallabies' back row is also sure to turn up the heat on England wonderboy Danny Cipriani - who showed his inexperience on Saturday with a kick charge-down that cost his side seven points - although new halfback Danny Care looks to be a real livewire.
Tutto questo sperando che anche l'arbitro di ING-AUS di sabato prossimo lo legga...
A chi interessa...
The English press have set the scene for fireworks at scrum time at Twickenham on Saturday by accusing Wallabies tight-head prop Al Baxter of cheating throughout his career to mask his set-piece deficiencies.
Under the headings of "Time to expose Australia's flaws" and "Wallabies woes", The Sunday Telegraph and The Sunday Times respectively dedicated one page of coverage each on Sunday to lambast Baxter and to encourage referees to penalise him and the England pack to target him.
Former England second-rower Paul Ackford, in The Sunday Telegraph, wrote "In my experience, no other side of Australia's stature and quality has existed at the sharp end of international rugby for so long with such a fundamental flaw to their game, begging the question: how and why have they got away with it for so long?"
He continued: "It is when they are trying to protect their own put in that the Wallabies get up to their tricks. One ploy is to collapse at the hit. Early in the game referees are reluctant to penalise teams so the tight-head (usually Baxter) will head for the floor as soon as the pressure comes on. By the time the referee has sorted out the problems, which usually means him coming round from the other side of the scrum to deliver a lecture, and by the time the scrum has been re-set, the opposition pack have had the steam taken out of the engagement. Australia then put the ball into the scrum swiftly and get it out through the fastest channel available. Job done.
"Baxter's role in this subterfuge is crucial. Ramrod straight, eyes blazing, he looks every inch the aggressive, rugged scrummaging tight-head until he engages his opponent, at which point he folds. The worst thing for Baxter and the Australian scrummage is if the referee insists they stay up off the floor and participate in a proper contest.
"New Zealander Steve Walsh is in charge when England meet Australia at Twickenham on Saturday. It will be fascinating to discover whether he will be persuaded by Baxter's body language before the hit, of the fact that he slips his bind to grasp his opponent's arm (illegal) rather than his back (legal) when the front rows eventually collide."
Stephen Jones, a long-term trenchant critic of southern hemisphere rugby, was equally as scathing in The Sunday Times.
"Al Baxter, the Australian prop, has won more than 50 caps, which is a tribute to his durability and courage in adversity," Jones wrote. "He will be at Twickenham on Saturday with the Wallabies. However, his presence will also be a comment on the desperate lack in Australia of props with an ounce of credibility on the world stage, because if rugby had the same procedure as boxing in saving the battered from further punishment, then Baxter would have hardly finished a match.
"And this is a cold reality that Australia must deal with, because for all their new outlook, their new coach (the New Zealander, Robbie Deans), for all their muscular talents and brilliance of Matt Giteau and Luke Burgess at halfback, this new Australia will be haunted by the weaknesses of the old, and by the feebleness of their scrum.
"For a great deal of those 50 caps, Baxter's nose has been in grass. In the 2003 World Cup final, the limitations of Baxter and the Australian scrum were blindingly obvious, to all except the referee. Andre Watson's scandalous performance and his penalising of the superior England scrum represented a day to live in refereeing infamy and it almost saved Australia entirely."
Jones went on to mention Australia's scrummaging woes at Twickenham in 2005 and in Marseille last year, in the World Cup quarter-final.
"Props all over the world have accused Australia of cheating their way out of their own weaknesses over the years but the three demolition jobs by England finally nailed the myth that Australia could compete up front."
Wallabies forwards coach Michael Foley was another to cop some criticism for his alleged role in the scrummaging skullduggery. Ackford wrote: "The other factor is that the Australians are very good at disguising their inadequacies. Their current forwards' coach, Michael Foley, was a highly respected Test hooker who stiffened the Wallaby scrum noticeably when he came back into the team during the 2001 Lions tour. Foley, who also coached at Bath, knows what works and what doesn't in the Test environment. He also knows precisely how to coax survival from a chronically weak scrummage."
Still, it wasn't all bad news for the Wallabies in the eyes of the English pundits. Ackford described loose-head Benn Robinson and hooker as "the best scrummagers they have had for some time" while Jones nominated Richard Brown, Luke Burgess, Stephen Moore, Ryan Cross and Berrick Barnes as the new Wallabies who could test England.
England defeated the Pacific Islands 39-13 on Saturday in a performance that mixed the impressive with the mundane. Debutants Delon Armitage (fullback) and Ugo Monye (wing) have injected some express pace into the back three to complement the dangerous Paul Sackey, but as World Cup-winning inside back Mike Catt noted in the Sunday Telegraph, "the Wallabies will test England's raw back three far more severely".
The Wallabies' back row is also sure to turn up the heat on England wonderboy Danny Cipriani - who showed his inexperience on Saturday with a kick charge-down that cost his side seven points - although new halfback Danny Care looks to be a real livewire.
"And this is a cold reality that Australia must deal with, because for all their new outlook, their new coach (the New Zealander, Robbie Deans), for all their muscular talents and brilliance of Matt Giteau and Luke Burgess at halfback, this new Australia will be haunted by the weaknesses of the old, and by the feebleness of their scrum.
"For a great deal of those 50 caps, Baxter's nose has been in grass. In the 2003 World Cup final, the limitations of Baxter and the Australian scrum were blindingly obvious, to all except the referee. Andre Watson's scandalous performance and his penalising of the superior England scrum represented a day to live in refereeing infamy and it almost saved Australia entirely."
Jones went on to mention Australia's scrummaging woes at Twickenham in 2005 and in Marseille last year, in the World Cup quarter-final.
"Props all over the world have accused Australia of cheating their way out of their own weaknesses over the years but the three demolition jobs by England finally nailed the myth that Australia could compete up front."
Wallabies forwards coach Michael Foley was another to cop some criticism for his alleged role in the scrummaging skullduggery. Ackford wrote: "The other factor is that the Australians are very good at disguising their inadequacies. Their current forwards' coach, Michael Foley, was a highly respected Test hooker who stiffened the Wallaby scrum noticeably when he came back into the team during the 2001 Lions tour. Foley, who also coached at Bath, knows what works and what doesn't in the Test environment. He also knows precisely how to coax survival from a chronically weak scrummage."
Still, it wasn't all bad news for the Wallabies in the eyes of the English pundits. Ackford described loose-head Benn Robinson and hooker as "the best scrummagers they have had for some time" while Jones nominated Richard Brown, Luke Burgess, Stephen Moore, Ryan Cross and Berrick Barnes as the new Wallabies who could test England.
England defeated the Pacific Islands 39-13 on Saturday in a performance that mixed the impressive with the mundane. Debutants Delon Armitage (fullback) and Ugo Monye (wing) have injected some express pace into the back three to complement the dangerous Paul Sackey, but as World Cup-winning inside back Mike Catt noted in the Sunday Telegraph, "the Wallabies will test England's raw back three far more severely".
The Wallabies' back row is also sure to turn up the heat on England wonderboy Danny Cipriani - who showed his inexperience on Saturday with a kick charge-down that cost his side seven points - although new halfback Danny Care looks to be a real livewire.
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Pakeha_70
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Cooper ha 20 anni, O'Connor 18JosephK. ha scritto:Ma porca zozzaccia!!! Io ho visto intorno alle 19 e 30 alcuni australiani passarsi l'ovale su Corso Milano ma mi sembravano giovanissimi (ho pensato che fossero accompagnatori...) e non ho riconosciuto nessuno: mi sono messo a fare il pirlotto anche io e a corrergli dietro chiedendogli l'ovale ma... correvano un po' troppo e ho raggiunto solo uno perché si è fermato a fare pipì sul ponte prima del centro di Padova...Pakeha_70 ha scritto:
Qualcuno di voi a Padova ha visto Quade Cooper and James O'Connor passarsi il pallone in Corso Milano venerdì sera?
Vuoi dire ho mezzo giocato con due wallabies?