Sud Africa, Europa. 7N?

[Gioann_Bagoss]

Il Sud Africa vuole uscire dal Sanzar.

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/rugby/news/a ... xit-sanzar

It's official: SARU looks to exit Sanzar
Yahoo!Xtra Sport / Neil Reid - April 22, 2009, 2:02 pm

The Sanzar alliance is on the verge of collapse, with South African officials finally confirming publicly that they are looking for their premier sides to enter northern hemisphere competitions.
The admission, from SA Rugby's acting managing director Andy Marinos, comes two days after Australian Rugby Union boss John O'Neill fired more verbal broadsides at the South Africans.
It follows ongoing failure among Sanzar's three member parties to come up with a unified front for the future of the Super Rugby arena.

While the New Zealand Rugby Union and ARU appear to have agreed on a way forward with the creation of a Super 15, SA Rugby continues to threaten to use its right of veto unless the changes are made on its terms.
It is an attitude which has seen top-brass from both the NZRU and ARU confirm that they are now looking to go it alone.
And Marinos said SA Rugby was now almost at that stage.
He said that he had: "made it very clear to Australia and New Zealand in our last meeting that we are going to start canvassing up north".

Sanzar has until June 30 to present its blueprint for the future to its host broadcasters.
And with time rapidly running out, Marinos said SA Rugby wouldn't hesitate to terminate its involvement with Sanzar if that was what was best for rugby in the republic.

"We're doing everything in our power to ensure Sanzar stays alive, but we have to be realistic and work within the constraints we have," he told The Times.
"We are approaching a critical point now.
"I've put forward a position and South Africa will hold that position.
"We have compromised and are in a serious stage of negotiation and all parties need to come to the party.
"They've been talking about a trans-Tasman/Asian structure so we must perhaps also look at what our options are.

"We will exhaust every avenue within Sanzar but if we can't reach a compromise we'll have no hesitation in looking to the north."
Marinos said it was anything but a hollow threat.
In fact, he said aligning themselves with Europe would bring with it some positives.
"For a lot of reasons it makes sense; the same time zones, it's more attractive for broadcasters, less travel and there has been a resurgence of the strength of club rugby there because of the Heineken Cup," Marinos said.

O'Neill and SA Rugby officials initially traded barbs following the Sanzar board meeting in Dubai in March.
But the relationship has soured further in the past two days following more verbals from O'Neill.
He has blamed SA Rugby's stance for delaying the possibility of an agreement being reached.
O'Neill has also taken issue with SA Rugby, saying it is not prepared to compromise for the better good of Super Rugby expansion.

And he has again raised the prospect of the ARU and NZRU moving on without South Africa.
"I think all the moving so far has been by Australia and New Zealand. That's the truth of it," he said.
"And I think you get to the point where you can't move any more. We, Australia and New Zealand, have shifted. At this stage, all we have out of South Africa is the press release that came out, which I've held up to the light and I still don't understand it.
"So I'm sure we'll hear more this week, but it's a very difficult negotiation.

"Inevitably, you always have to have a plan B.
"Our preference is still very much a Super 15, a round and a half, what we call the perfect outcome. We've been absolutely consistent about that.
"If you end up in a complete impasse, well then we've got a game in Australia and New Zealand which requires a big chunk of mass entertainment product.
"And if it can't include South Africa, then trans-Tasman-Asia Pacific options have to be looked at."
However, Marinos has fired back, stating: "I take exception to the fact that Australia say they have 'compromised'.
"I honestly can't see what they have compromised on and in any new structure we agree on they'll be getting more than they had.
"The only people compromising are those of us who have a competition structure to compromise (the Currie Cup and the Air New Zealand Cup)."

[Laporte]

Già il fatto che alal scadenza del contratto decennale con Murdoch alòla fine del 2005 il SAF avesse ottenuto una darata di soli 5 anni (scadenza fine 2010) faceva presagire dei dubbi.

Ora si vedrà cosa succede alla fine del 2010.

Di certo pare che il ZAF, malgrado le speimentazioni effettuatre a Stellenboch non sia troppo contento anche delle ELV e della politica SANZAR di questi anni.

[Gioann_Bagoss]

...non sia troppo contento anche delle ELV e della politica SANZAR di questi anni...

Forse più che altro della politica australiana.
Mi sbaglierò, ma ho trovato una compattezza
di giudizio sudafricano (negativo) sull'australia
che fa pensare non poco.

[Laporte]

...non sia troppo contento anche delle ELV e della politica SANZAR di questi anni...

Forse più che altro della politica australiana.
Mi sbaglierò, ma ho trovato una compattezza
di giudizio sudafricano (negativo) sull'australia
che fa pensare non poco.

si, appunto... Anche perchè il turbo rugby creato grazie a Murdoch, ora sta spogliando la SANZAR dei suoi ilgiori giocaotori. più di quanto avveniva negli anni 80.. E basta anche vedere i 3D di quest'anno sul super 14 in questo forum e in anltri esteri, per accorgersi di un calo di interesse molto forte.

[nino22]

L'idea 7 Nazioni mi sembra proprio buttata li, che ci siano una certa scontentezza dei sudafricani è evidenti, era ora che facessero qualcosa, dovevano pensarci prima ma è sempre meglio tardi che mai, del resto sono quelli messi meglio, io gli stadi vuoti non li vedo in Sud Africa ma un Australia e Nuova Zelanda, adesso le nazioni anti ELV possono davvero demolire gli intenti austroneozelandesi e speriamo che sia la volta buona che le ELV vengono rigettate in toto.