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Interessante vedere gli altri come hanno visto la fine partita

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Time is up and Italy power on inch by inch. Another penalty comes to Italy and it's a call for the scrum. Parisse picks up, So'oialo stops him and the final whistle goes to a chorus of boos in the crowd. A dreadful end to the game and no advert in such surroundings. Italy were brave but limited - the All Blacks edged the majority but will have plenty to reflect on. Thanks for joining us and remember to stay tuned to ESPNScrum for LIVE commentary on Ireland's showdown with Australia on Sunday - kick-off is 15.00GMT. See you then.
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It's down again - this is becoming a farce. Parisse is forced to pick up off sloppy ball, Bergamasco carries on. Italy still have it.
78
another penalty against New Zealand - where is the penalty try? Another mess in the scrum. The All Blacks will do this all day if Dickinson lets them.
77
Another penalty against the All Blacks and Tialata is on his way to the bin. The clock should be stopped in situations like this - completely unfair to Italy.
76
Parisse animatedly calls for the scrum again - no prisoners. Tialata can't deal with the pressure and is down again. Crowd is going wild as time ticks away.
75
Scrum again goes down - fine for the All Blacks as time ticks away. Another penalty - the All Blacks are perilously close to penalty try territory now.
74
The All Blacks shove back but concede the penalty as Messam detaches his bind to disrupt the ball.
73
Parisse controls at the base but the front-rows are up as Italy steam towards the line. Re-set.
72
Ball is safe for Italy and they go route one again. Ongaro is isolated but keeps hold of it - ref gives the scrum to Italy five metres out.
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One minute beyond full time...this must be it. Italy go with their backs and as NZ stop the move on the corner flag, the final whistle goes. What can one say? NZ deserve to win as they were superior when it mattered but they will have plenty to think about regarding their front row..nay, the entire scrum. Italy deserve to celebrate the way Italians do when they are proud. They played superbly with Perrisse our man of the match. Right, we'll see you soon. Ciaou from Milan!!
80 And again they pack down...another collapse...it is almost an Italian victory right here...depends on how you view this bizarre repeat occurrence. OK! A successful scrum...Bergamasco has a go...slow ruck 3 metres out...good defense...pick and go met by solid walls of Black. We have another penalty to Italy and ofcourse they call a scrum.
79 Take off one..and another...bring on one...Italy wants to scrum again. And...wait for it....another penalty to Italy. Sorry people...it's not Groundhog day or a commentator with short term memory loss...it's really happening. The All Blacks do not want to concede the try.
78 This is the longest period of scrummaging I've ever seen. Lots of talk now...and yet another reset. Another penalty to Italy and this time the YELLOW CARD for Tialata....
76 Another scrum collapses...but Italy is camped on the NZ try line and the crowd go bananas. Can they score? Another penalty as NZ test gravity. This will be a warning...and another scrum.
74 Italy go for the push over try...and they come so close...the front rowers go up and they get another opportunity. This time it's stolen as they build momentum and at the penalty, they ask for another scrum...
72 Sergio Parisse shows exactly why he is revered amongst the Italian rugby fraternity as he runs like a champion, chips, collects and releases to his support in a moment of brilliance. Italy still on the attack with a line out 5 metres out. They try it all...short passes, out wide....retaining possession but not breaking the defense. We have a scrum 5 metres out right in front of the posts.
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Chi sarebbe Perrisse?? :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Planet rugby.com - commento alla partita
New Zealand avoided a potential European banana skin on Saturday in an historic 20-6 victory over Italy.

Despite holding a two-score cushion with just eight minutes remaining, the second-string visitors were under serious pressure which arguably should have translated into a penalty try after several scrum resets close to the line.

The passionate crowd were baying for official Stuart Dickinson to make the short jog under the poles. He did not and the All Blacks escaped.
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Battered All Blacks sneak win over Italy
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5:25 AM Sunday Nov 15, 2009

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One rare counter-attack sparked by Sitiveni Sivivatu saw Andy Ellis caught just short, then the All Blacks strung some phases together with McAlister and Ellison going close before Flynn scored in the left corner from an overlap.

It was Flynn's second try in his sixth test, his first run-on start since the 2003 World Cup.

Another McAlister penalty from an Italy ruck infringement gave the All Blacks a 14-3 halftime lead.

They extended the lead to 17-3 soon after the break when Italy second five-eighth Gonzalo Garcia was sinbinned by Dickinson for an apparent spear tackle at a ruck.

But the All Blacks couldn't make them pay with 14 men as the Italy pack continued to rumble on. After another big scrum, centre Gonzalo Canale went agonisingly close but was desperately held up by Ellis and Ellison.

Gower's second penalty narrowed it to 17-6 with a quarter remaining as coach Graham Henry rolled on his subs.

Jimmy Cowan replaced Ellis in the 60th minute after an unhappy test return behind the pack, and Crockett was replaced by John Afoa after a torrid night at the hands of Castrogiovanni.

Scores:- New Zealand 20 (Corey Flynn try; Luke McAlister 5 pen) Italy 6 (Craig Gower 2 pen). Halftime: 14-3.
Interessante il fatto che non parli proprio degli ultimi dieci minuti... e nemmeno del giallo a Tialata :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dal TimesOnline: ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 917012.ece )

November 14, 2009
All Blacks given tough time in Italy
Italy 6, New Zealand 20

The All Blacks completed a fine day for New Zealand following the football team's qualification for the World Cup with a 20-6 victory over Italy in front of a record rugby crowd at the San Siro on Saturday.

Despite the defeat it will be Italy who went away happier following a scrappy game with little flowing rugby.

In holding the mighty All Blacks to just one try and 20 points, Italy coach Nick Mallett will feel it was a job well done by a team that never had any realistic hopes of winning this match.

For All Blacks coach Graham Henry it was another unspectacular performance, even if by a largely second string side, following last week's 19-12 defeat of Wales in Cardiff.

With 80,000 fans roaring them on, Italy made a frantic start and were ahead on four minutes after New Zealand collapsed a scrum and former Australian rugby league international Craig Gower knocked over the three points from straight in front of the posts.

The lead lasted only three minutes, though, before Salvatore Perugini was given offside and Luke McAlister landed a similarly straightforward kick.

Italy were suffering from ill discipline in the early stages and after McAlister put a penalty wide from just inside the hosts' half, he scored from straight in front of the posts on 13 minutes after Alessandro Zanni handled in a ruck.

Italy were enjoying great success in the scrum, though, and after the All Blacks suffered their third penalty for collapsing, Gower missed his penalty from wide on the right.

They would soon pay for that miss as Corey Flynn went over in the corner for the only try of the game on 25 minutes.

The All Blacks spread the ball right from the back of a scrum on Italy's 22 and then swung back to the left where prop Flynn was left one-on-one with diminutive winger Kaine Robertson, a Kiwi by birth, five yards out.

Robertson should have done better but he had neither the weight nor the strength necessary to bundle Flynn into touch.

Italy had one chance to score at the end of the first half but, after they stole ball in the All Blacks' 22, Gower knocked on.

McAlister landed another penalty before half-time to send the tourists into the changing rooms with a 14-3 lead.

And three minutes after the break he kicked another after Gonzalo Garcia was penalised, and sin-binned for a spear tackle in midfield.

Despite their depleted numbers, Italy came closest to a try when Gower's reverse inside pass released Gonzalo Canale, who was smother-tackled just a yard out.

Italy survived the sin-bin period without taking another score and on 58 minutes New Zealand collapsed another scrum and Gower brought the score back to 6-17 with his second penalty from wide on the right.

However, McAlister soon landed another penalty after missing his second of the day when hitting the post from around the halfway line.

The game ended with a period of sustained Italy pressure on the New Zealand five-yard line.

But, despite the All Blacks giving away a succession of penalties in the scrum, Italy could not force their way over and referee Stuart Dickinson somewhat unfairly denied the hosts a clear penalty try which would have put the seal on this historic occasion.
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GiorgioXT ha scritto:Interessante il fatto che non parli proprio degli ultimi dieci minuti... e nemmeno del giallo a Tialata :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ne parlano eccome...

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It was the All Blacks who won at the San Siro but the Italians who were smiling. They admitted on Friday they weren't a chance of a win. They should have had more faith.

Maybe their plan was to stay deliberately low key to conceal the fact they were capable of giving the All Black pack a beasting at the scrum.

Wyatt Crockett had a big fork stuck in him by Martin Castrogiovani. The big Italian prop, looking more like a base player from a grunge band, educated young Crockett in the ways of the dark arts.

It was man versus boy. It was car meeting truck. It was really quite hard to watch at times. In the last five minutes the Italians were toying with the All Blacks. Down they'd slam and the All Blacks would crumple. On it would go until Neemia Tialata was sent to the bin. The Italians could only wonder why they weren't awarded a penalty try. They deserved one. They deserved something more for the control they were exerting.


From the scrum, the Italians drew inspiration. It gave them the confidence to attack the All Black forwards at the collision. It gave them the confidence to work the rolling maul and they were effective. It's a different game in these parts and the All Blacks will face more of the same against England and France.

They just love the maul as a weapon and done well, as the Italians proved, it's a difficult ploy to defend.

Up against such an effective unit the All Blacks struggled to build any momentum. They always had enough to sit comfortably ahead - just not enough to ever cut loose.

Much of their platform came from the quality of the lineout which opens the theory that the All Blacks can only ever handle one set-piece at a time. It was if they had to concentrate so hard on the lineout, they didn't have enough energy left to push in the scrums.

It wouldn't be fair to be too tough on the All Black forwards - they defended magnificently throughout the game and there will have been some confidence drawn from the way Tanera Latimer scavenged and supported the ball carrier. There was one break in the first half where Tamati Ellison was through the half gap and had his hands free looking fore the inside flip. Latimer was a couple of yards short of where Richie McCaw would have been, but that's the point of him playing games like these.

Latimer was there to learn his craft at this level and he'll be all the better for the experience. His strength over the ball and tackling were good - the two things the coaches were looking for.

There will also be some ticks put in the boxes of the three debutants. Mike Delany grew into the game and was starting to look assured just as he was taken off on 65 minutes for Stephen Donald. Ben Smith spilled his first touch when he took his eye off a high ball in the opening minute. There was a feeling of dread that he was going to freeze in an atmosphere that was emotionally charged. The Italians were quick to sense his nerves so banged another one Smith's way a few minutes later.

This time the Otago wing caught it and took off. It settled him and he was looking sharp and alive to opportunity the longer he was out there.

Ellison had fewer opportunities. It was his defensive effort that will have been noticed.

Ultimately this was about winning a test and finding whether some of the fringe members of the squad have what it takes to play at this level. Those goals were achieved but the scrum is a worry - England and France will not be scared by what they saw.
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Interessante questo report di articoli : sembra unamine che c'era una clear penalty try.
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Dal Telegraph ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... eport.html )

Read a full match report of the autumn international game between Italy and New Zealand at the San Siro Stadium, Milan on Saturday Nov 14 2009.
By Steve James at San Siro, Milan
Published: 4:20PM GMT 14 Nov 2009

Not one of rugby's great games, but undoubtedly one of rugby's great occasions. This was a sporting event that will linger long in the memory, even if the match was a bit of a stinker on a dank day. The iconic San Siro stadium - home to both the footballing giants AC and Inter Milan - was packed to its imposing red rafters with more than 80,000 awe-inspired spectators. Rugby was breaking new ground.

The San Siro had seen nothing like this before. Well, it had seen international rugby before, but Romania beating Italy in front of just 9,000 in 1988 doesn't really count.

This was no ticketing gimmick either. The usual full prices were asked, the usual full prices were paid. This was solely down to the attraction of New Zealand. Those, including this correspondent, who averred that they had left their aura at home when embarking upon this particular European tour, need to think again.

It was ironic too that the All Blacks should be playing in such a famous football stadium on the very day that their own footballers qualified for the World Cup finals for only the second time. In beating Bahrain in Wellington they attracted a crowd of 35,500, larger than that for any of the All Blacks' six home internationals this year. The All Blacks are clearly now more popular abroad than at home.

The pre-match atmosphere was goose-bump stuff. Really. Just ask Kiwi hooker Corey Flynn. As the New Zealanders waited for Italy to arrive to some intimidatory `fight-time' music, he peeled away from his team-mates to gaze around the stadium ablaze with flash bulbs. Wonderment doesn't tell the half of it.

The Italian anthem was rousingly sung by Denis Dallan, Italy's former wing (rugby that is!), who now fancies himself as a tenor. And the haka was observed in reverential silence by the crowd. Italy's players faced it head-on, their line, led by Leicester's Martin Castrogiovanni, advancing ever closer to the All Blacks. There was no Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt confrontation (at another rather famous football stadium, Old Trafford, in 1997), although afterwards the flame-haired centre Gonzalo Garcia did hang around in aggressive pose for rather longer than necessary. Little surprise he was sin-binned later.

At least haka-lessons had been learnt. The last time I watched Italy versus New Zealand was in the World Cup of 2007 in Marseilles. The Italians thought it a good idea to turn their back on the war-dance. It enraged the Kiwis no end. They smashed the Italians 76-14.

There was never going to happen yesterday, even if there was never any real doubt about the outcome. Italy have still not beaten the Kiwis in 12 attempts. Not even their traditional opening 20 minutes of blood and thunder inconvenienced the All Blacks overly here (one seismic hit by Gonzalo Canale on Cory Jane aside). So New Zealand led at half-time 14-3 with a try from Flynn, with Italy's only threat coming from their formidable scrummage (Castrogiovanni was man of the match) and, as you would expect, the odd moment of splendour from the subliminal No 8 Sergio Parisse. They offer so little in attack that they could ill afford fly half Craig Gower once spilling prime turnover ball.

It appeared the match was over at the interval, and so it proved. New Zealand stuttered, and Italy bulldozed. Stalemate. True to type, the final minutes were spent on a series of scrummages on New Zealand's line. A penalty try seemed certain. It did not come. Neemia Tialata was shown a yellow card, and, with Luke McAlister at blindside flanker, New Zealand survived.

As the All Blacks head for London today what was there for woeful England to make of this ahead of next Saturday's encounter? To be honest, the hardly startling news that New Zealand's seconds could beat them. This was enough evidence of that sort of strength in depth, with twelve changes from the side that overcame Wales last weekend. It was not a stunning performance but not many reserve sides would have prevailed here. Even with three debutants in the back line, nobody looked anything less than Test class.

One debutant, wing Ben Smith, dropped his first high ball but still recovered to give a classy performance. As did another newcomer, fly half Mike Delany. Dan Carter was banned, but he would have been rested anyway. He will back, and doubtless New Zealand will kick more than they did without him yesterday. But when you can kick that well…

For real envy take a look at McAlister, still second choice inside centre. What a player of composure, clout and silkiness. And that's without the hefty right boot that contributed 15 points.

In broader terms, though, this experience here just has to be repeated. Milan may not itself be a rugby-mad city, but its surrounding areas beat strongly to the oval-ball tune. The north is Italy's rugby heartland. Rome, with its small 32,000-capacity Stadio Flaminio, might as well be a million miles away.
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Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
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Giandolmen ha scritto:Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da http://www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
Che cagone! L'avevo letto anch'io. Ha avuto il coraggio di definire gli ultimi 5 minuti una farsa? Non si è reso conto che se farsa è stata, il merito è stato tutto dei suoi giocatori, che hanno fatto una figura veramente ridicola?
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yeti ha scritto:
Giandolmen ha scritto:Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da http://www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
Che cagone! L'avevo letto anch'io. Ha avuto il coraggio di definire gli ultimi 5 minuti una farsa? Non si è reso conto che se farsa è stata, il merito è stato tutto dei suoi giocatori, che hanno fatto una figura veramente ridicola?
La farsa per Henry stava nel fatto che gli fischiavano i falli... Sai di solito non lo fanno.
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Laporte ha scritto:
yeti ha scritto:
Giandolmen ha scritto:Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da http://www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
Che cagone! L'avevo letto anch'io. Ha avuto il coraggio di definire gli ultimi 5 minuti una farsa? Non si è reso conto che se farsa è stata, il merito è stato tutto dei suoi giocatori, che hanno fatto una figura veramente ridicola?
La farsa per Henry stava nel fatto che gli fischiavano i falli... Sai di solito non lo fanno.
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Laporte ha scritto:
yeti ha scritto:
Giandolmen ha scritto:Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da http://www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
Che cagone! L'avevo letto anch'io. Ha avuto il coraggio di definire gli ultimi 5 minuti una farsa? Non si è reso conto che se farsa è stata, il merito è stato tutto dei suoi giocatori, che hanno fatto una figura veramente ridicola?
La farsa per Henry stava nel fatto che gli fischiavano i falli... Sai di solito non lo fanno.
Ecco, questa è divertente. :wink:

G.
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Laporte ha scritto:
yeti ha scritto:
Giandolmen ha scritto:Aggiungo le dichiarazioni di coach Graham Henry..... raccolte da http://www.scrum.com

http://www.scrum.com/newzealandtour/rug ... 05705.html
Che cagone! L'avevo letto anch'io. Ha avuto il coraggio di definire gli ultimi 5 minuti una farsa? Non si è reso conto che se farsa è stata, il merito è stato tutto dei suoi giocatori, che hanno fatto una figura veramente ridicola?
La farsa per Henry stava nel fatto che gli fischiavano i falli... Sai di solito non lo fanno.
Esatto. E comunque secondo me gli rode ancora il popò per quel finale, e anche tanto...
"Volevo che tu imparassi una cosa: volevo che tu vedessi che cosa è il vero coraggio, tu che credi che sia rappresentato da un uomo col fucile in mano. Aver coraggio significa sapere di essere sconfitti prima ancora di cominciare, e cominciare egualmente e arrivare fino in fondo, qualsiasi cosa accada. E' raro vincere in questi casi, ma qualche volta succede" (Il Buio oltre la siepe).

Metti una sera con gli amici del bar e capisci quanto è importante... la cultura del rugby.

Entrare al bar per condividere, non per dividere (Il sommo Beppone).

Nex time... Good Game... Nice try... Seh seh avemo capito...
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