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Una domanda, come mai i nostri centri non passano mai le palle? chiedo solo xche vedo in tutto il mondo ogni settiamana che le palle arrivanno sempre al largo.....tutto mondo tranne italia.. dove sta la problema?

Perche\' sanno chi c\'e\' all\'ala?

Infatti, in Italia i vari LOMU, TOGIRI, SAILOR dove sono?
<BR> Avremmo bisogno di un \"cacciatore di ali\" tutte da 1,90 100 kg, potremmo cercarle nel basket o nel football.
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<BR>Ciao, C.
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forse poiché se passassero \"le palle\" non potrebbero conservare la completa funzionalità di quanto resterebbe solitario nel mezzo...
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<BR>e poi scusa vorresti specificare bene chi siano i \"tuoi\" centri... che non è capito molto bene...
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<BR>mac

un\'ala come stefano emili quindi?
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<BR>mac
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<BR> 28-06-2005 alle ore 10:48, cicala wrote:
<BR>Infatti, in Italia i vari LOMU, TOGIRI, SAILOR dove sono?
<BR> Avremmo bisogno di un \"cacciatore di ali\" tutte da 1,90 100 kg, potremmo cercarle nel basket o nel football.
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<BR>Ciao, C.
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Ma shane williams o dennis hickie o doug howlett non pesano 100kg!!
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<BR>la chiave e fare arrivare il palone en condizioni utile.
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<BR>Masi ..bon giocaotre che sia...sta facendo lo stesso che stoica sempre faceva...Cercare il contatto fisico ..invece di cercare di riciclare la palla.
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<BR>Usanno techniche che da 4 o 5 anni non sirvono piu.

Sono daccordo con Pier sulle ali poco pesanti (ci si aggiunge facilmente anche Dominici). Non su quanto dice approposito di Masi. I palloni che arrivano a Canale non sono pochi. Canale è un giocatore che predilige il gioco in penetrazione, la ricerca del riciclo mi è sembrata in crescita nell\'ultimo tour. Ma ci si deve lavorare ancora tanto. (certo se Canale giocasse ala...).
<BR>L.

I am sure with Berbiziers, you will see a more dynamic , French style of rugby..where the individual is less important..and support play will become the key.
<BR>But to do that..you need a target runner in the 12 channel ..who is also capable of offloading in the tackle.
<BR>Masi takes the ball ...crashes ..and puts the ball back..but the forward momentum stops there.
<BR>It becomes too obvious for defences ...as they know there is only one attacking target...the no.12
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<BR>look at wales..they send 3 or 4 different target runners..and these 4 are all guaranteed at least one supporting runner..inside or outside.
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<BR>If Berbiziers is capable of changing the mentality of static attackers that unfortunatley JK insisted on...with the italian pack always sure to at least win 50% ball...then you have a very interesting team.
<BR>the question is IF?
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si lo so ma in quel caso sono i centri che pesano

Exactly...
<BR>centers are there for one reason...supply the ball out wide..to the spaces..
<BR>obviously..if you have a player like O\'Driscoll...a rare exception that comes once every 10 years..then you can play with a ligher no.12 like o\' Darcy..
<BR>but generally ..centers job is to suck in the attack..and AVOID FRONTAL CONTACT...and recycle tha ball.
<BR>After the first phase, numbers on the back of the rugby jersy become irrelevant...at least the way the welsh or french \"champagne rugby\" play.
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<BR>I am / was a supporter of Jk ..but it is hard to deny the fact that the back play was 1) obvious 2) static 3) one dimensional
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<BR>How is it that the welsh came from a wooden spoon to become one of the most potent attacking teams in the world? By AVOIDING contact in the 12/13 postions.
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<BR>i am obviously not qualified to tell Berbiziers how to play rugby! just saying that if he ahs the courage to install a more Fluid / French style of play...i believe you will see a very different Italy.
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<BR>In rugby they say that \" Forwards you CANNOT manufacture..you have them or you dont...But spaces in the backline you can Always manufacture\"
<BR>In other words..Italy has a 100% effective forward pack..nowq if they can find a way to manufacutre spaces in the backline...then you have something to make a lot of teams think twice.

Parfait, David!
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<BR>... ainsi, tu verras que les gens qui te repondront vont diminuer du 50%, au bas mot !
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<BR> 28-06-2005 alle ore 11:53, pier12345 wrote:
<BR>Exactly...
<BR>centers are there for one reason...supply the ball out wide..to the spaces..
<BR>obviously..if you have a player like O\'Driscoll...a rare exception that comes once every 10 years..then you can play with a ligher no.12 like o\' Darcy..
<BR>but generally ..centers job is to suck in the attack..and AVOID FRONTAL CONTACT...and recycle tha ball.
<BR>After the first phase, numbers on the back of the rugby jersy become irrelevant...at least the way the welsh or french \"champagne rugby\" play.
<BR>
<BR>I am / was a supporter of Jk ..but it is hard to deny the fact that the back play was 1) obvious 2) static 3) one dimensional
<BR>
<BR>How is it that the welsh came from a wooden spoon to become one of the most potent attacking teams in the world? By AVOIDING contact in the 12/13 postions.
<BR>
<BR>i am obviously not qualified to tell Berbiziers how to play rugby! just saying that if he ahs the courage to install a more Fluid / French style of play...i believe you will see a very different Italy.
<BR>
<BR>In rugby they say that \" Forwards you CANNOT manufacture..you have them or you dont...But spaces in the backline you can Always manufacture\"
<BR>In other words..Italy has a 100% effective forward pack..nowq if they can find a way to manufacutre spaces in the backline...then you have something to make a lot of teams think twice.
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<BR>sbaglio pier o qualche settimana fa... hai rimproverato seymour xkè SCRIVEVA IN FRANCESE E NON IN ITALIANO...
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<BR>CMQ
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<BR>non è importante dove i cutitta hanno fatto le elementari... sono italiani...
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<BR>ed è vero tutti hanno oriundi stranieri equiparati fritti impanati e rifritti... ma come, quali, quanti e di che qualità?
<BR>e soprattutto ...
<BR>questi tolgono il posto ai nativi di egual livello (scarso o eccellente che sia) di gioco?
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<BR>NESSUNO HA RISPOSTO ALLA DOMANDA:
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<BR>ALLA NOSTRA NAZIONALE CI VORREBBE UN\'ALA COME STEFANO EMILI????
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<BR>MAC
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Signori,la risposta è semplice!
<BR>I nostri centri il pallone NON lo sanno passare!
<BR>Però hanno il fisico,quindi un futuro da culturisti! :-Y

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<BR> 28-06-2005 alle ore 11:53, pier12345 wrote:
<BR>Exactly...
<BR>centers are there for one reason...supply the ball out wide..to the spaces..
<BR>obviously..if you have a player like O\'Driscoll...a rare exception that comes once every 10 years..then you can play with a ligher no.12 like o\' Darcy..
<BR>but generally ..centers job is to suck in the attack..and AVOID FRONTAL CONTACT...and recycle tha ball.
<BR>After the first phase, numbers on the back of the rugby jersy become irrelevant...at least the way the welsh or french \"champagne rugby\" play.
<BR>
<BR>I am / was a supporter of Jk ..but it is hard to deny the fact that the back play was 1) obvious 2) static 3) one dimensional
<BR>
<BR>How is it that the welsh came from a wooden spoon to become one of the most potent attacking teams in the world? By AVOIDING contact in the 12/13 postions.
<BR>
<BR>i am obviously not qualified to tell Berbiziers how to play rugby! just saying that if he ahs the courage to install a more Fluid / French style of play...i believe you will see a very different Italy.
<BR>
<BR>In rugby they say that \" Forwards you CANNOT manufacture..you have them or you dont...But spaces in the backline you can Always manufacture\"
<BR>In other words..Italy has a 100% effective forward pack..nowq if they can find a way to manufacutre spaces in the backline...then you have something to make a lot of teams think twice.
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<BR>I totally agree with you! Nice to read your techncal proposals and suggestions instead of other subject...
<BR>Thank you!
<BR>pam

I\'m ignorant and a capes solament l\'italian ed al dialet mudnes.
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<BR>Escusè moy